Samoleus Three Barreling

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Dated:
Dec 24th, 2008
By:
Niman Kenkre
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Small Stakes
Teaching Method:
Replayed Hands
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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22 Comments
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(42 Ratings) 9.14

Samoleus takes you through some 3barreling opportunities in extreme detail, and weighs the reasons for and against firing that last shell.

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  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Samoleus Three Barreling
    24 Dec 2008 at 10:57pm
    Discussion for Samoleus Three Barreling.
  • myblackson myblackson Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    I really hate this format, I think...
    11 Jan 2009 at 8:51pm
    I really hate this format, I think in a live video you would have the option to address such a broad range of topics that would be much more interesting than scenarios you created in a hand replayer.
  • eX3cution eX3cution Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    Great video overall, format works...
    11 Jan 2009 at 10:36pm
    Great video overall, format works really well. I never ever see people checkraising top pair good kicker versus a UTG raiser at midstakes, though. (Assuming that's the audience the video is aiming for)
  • FredericChopin FredericChopin Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Phil will basically teach "call...
    12 Jan 2009 at 9:53am
    Phil will basically teach "call even if the worst card comes since if they hit it, they can also have a lot of other stuff" , While you´re going to teach us "barrel barrel barrel, scarecard comes, Barrel again!"
  • FredericChopin FredericChopin Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Now as a serious Question regarding...
    12 Jan 2009 at 9:55am
    Now as a serious Question regarding the 66 Hand: You said that Villain *should* almost always be raising Qx on that flop due to its drawy nature. Give me a reason to if you barrel with a high freq. I´m getting stacked by a flushdraw regardless and the times i loose vs a hand u would´ve folded to my cr should make up for the times when ur barreling light ? This way i´ll also make less mistakes with my Tx hands by folding them on the river (or turn)since u cant exploit my cc range that easily, no?
  • Erhardt Erhardt Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    samo is a very good, deeply thinking...
    12 Jan 2009 at 10:47am
    samo is a very good, deeply thinking poker player BUT there is a lot of contradiction in this video and a lot of "facts" of todays games are just not true(most players c/r jx on a j86 after utg raise and BB call? come on ...) If you ignore this "bad stuff" you still get a lot out of this video
  • rocksteady rocksteady Poker Newbie
    10 Posts
    i liked most of the analysis but...
    12 Jan 2009 at 12:34pm
    i liked most of the analysis but i strongly disagree that most players would raise a J on that 86J two tone flop vs an UTG raise, especially when the opponent is described as typical so im assuming a TAG
  • ToniCogin ToniCogin Poker Newbie
    29 Posts
    Interesting video, but i really...
    13 Jan 2009 at 7:31am
    Interesting video, but i really dislike the AQcc riverbluf. So u want him to fold 99/TT/8X ? I think he calls those hands more then 50% for sure, because: (1) there are a ton of draws that missed, which will tend him to call a lot (2) he'll think u can valuebet worse boats (which is not much the case, but this will encourage him to call lighter) (3) he won't believe u that much u have QQ+ because you check those on turn some % too.
  • Balmix Balmix Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Very good vid.

    I'd just like to...
    13 Jan 2009 at 9:01am
    Very good vid. I'd just like to point out a minor unimportant mistake though at about 35mn, you say bluffing 35k into 42k needs to work less than 1 time in 3, when you probably meant less than 1 time in 2. Considering a pot sized bluff needs to work at least half the time to show a direct profit. But i guess most people watching this kind of video already knows this anyway.
  • yoren8 yoren8 Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    I forget all examples, but sometimes...
    14 Jan 2009 at 3:48pm
    I forget all examples, but sometimes you contradict your earlier statements. One I can remember is you say you might check behind QQ-AA on turn in the last hand, but then you also say he rarely has Jx so why would you ever check turn w/ QQ-AA? Minor math error on the end, your bluff has to succeed 35/77.5 or 45.2% of the time, not "less than 1/3rd of the time".
  • thewalkingdead thewalkingdead Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Great video.

    My question is where...
    15 Jan 2009 at 9:33am
    Great video. My question is where do you guys get this replayer from?
  • linuxrocks linuxrocks Poker Newbie
    9 Posts
    The last one I strongly disagree....
    22 Jan 2009 at 3:41am
    The last one I strongly disagree. Every hand that got to the river is calling pretty much. Most draws are not continuing after the turn, and you are never going to get someone to fold 8X, 6X and forget about getting them to fold 99. 1, 2, 3 situations are great.
  • Heyway Heyway Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    H1: Most people would always v-b...
    22 Jan 2009 at 11:55am
    H1: Most people would always v-b AK/AQ river and they should. We cant have KK often at all (flop+turn bet) H3: Good comment about K turn, A river. You v-b Ax but not KJ? Whats the difference? We have a missed draw but you say he cant put us on that? H4: If you check back some flops, this is a good one. Most people does not raise JT etc, maybe AJ You bet turn with some over pairs, jacks, draws and air, often not with TT, 8, 6 etc. Your value range is so small, an 8 is rarely folding. My 2c
  • Heyway Heyway Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Also, you might be aware of this...
    22 Jan 2009 at 11:58am
    Also, you might be aware of this but your opponent loses 21k in every hand and you win 56.5k. Can I play in this game? :P
  • hansenjr hansenjr Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Cool video, but I'd like to see...
    23 Jan 2009 at 11:35am
    Cool video, but I'd like to see more varied situations, not only us beeing in position in all hands. Ppl float a lot today so It'd be cool to see you do this w/ some oop situations as well
  • FKingFish FKingFish Poker Newbie
    403 Posts
    There seems to be one huge flaw...
    23 Jan 2009 at 4:07pm
    There seems to be one huge flaw to this video... the fact that every hand is simulated and all of these plays are done "in theory," not practice. If you're playing at the $500/1000, you're not going to be playing against a bunch of lvl 1 drones who chk-call chk-call chk-fold, which is basically the idea. Likewise, if you're playing at the NL$50... you're probably going to get players who call you down simply because they don't really know what they're doing.
  • ice320 ice320 Poker Newbie
    16 Posts
    I thought the first and last hand...
    1 Feb 2009 at 4:00pm
    I thought the first and last hand examples (JTs and AQs) and were horrible 3barrel bluffing spots against typical bad opponents. You're basically counting on your utg raise to make them give you credit for the nuts. Trying to fold out top pair hands is a suicide mission against bad opponents. I play a lot of heads up, and not so much 6max which may make a diff. but I always expect to get called in the first and 4th hand examples. I def like the 2nd and 3rd hands as bluffing spots however.
  • JonKelly4 JonKelly4 Poker Newbie
    18 Posts
    Video is a waste of time... did...
    20 Feb 2009 at 3:16am
    Video is a waste of time... did this video help any other users? The bluffing looked like C betting / overbetting and the opponents would have to be terrible players. And why show a simulation? we could easily read theory in a book. I really don't think that style of play would work. If it does please post a REAL video at those stakes showing how it really works. Anyone can make a simulated video and have them win. Maybe I'll make a video and show myself winning only the buyin will be a million
  • DGruttadaro DGruttadaro Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    I really thought this was a great...
    25 Aug 2009 at 3:51am
    I really thought this was a great video. I do bluff in some of these spots. This is sorta nitty but isnt doesnt a PSB need to be right 1 in 2 times?
  • IrwinFletcher IrwinFletcher Poker Newbie
    383 Posts
    Niman - nice video. I agree with...
    16 Sep 2009 at 5:44pm
    Niman - nice video. I agree with some of what has been said about the last spot. This seems like a marginal spot to continue firing, mostly because I haven't run into anyone that folds any pair in this spot, and you beat all of the missed draws with your AQ. An interesting idea for a video would be to go through the different combinations of turns and rivers and how each different card alters the decision to keep firing or give up.
  • TheGreenMachine TheGreenMachine Poker Newbie
    106 Posts
    I really liked the concept for...
    22 Nov 2009 at 4:38pm
    I really liked the concept for this video, thanks for the ideas!
  • Jimbozgrapes Jimbozgrapes Poker Prodigy
    336 Posts
    Very bad bluff on the q/q/10/5/j hand
    30 Dec 2010 at 7:18pm
    On the Q/Q/10cc board, I somewhat disagree with the 3-barrel there for a big reason. When the Jc hits, and you bet for value, it really eliminates a huge part of your range because you are now only value betting a really strong flush, the nuts straight (this is even questionably a check) , or a full house. Given that fact, and given the way the action went, he now gains a lot of equity calling you there with a 10 knowing that your range has significantly deminished and a lot of your hands have turned into bluffs, knowing that you can't really have something like A/Q, K/Q K/J (unless you turn it into a bluff, only hoping to get him to fold a queen, which is another unlikely situation) . So it takes out that huge portion of your range that is beating him that would check behind, and now leaves you with bluffs (your pairs from 22-99, 10/9s, 9/8s sometimes) and then your hands that do indeed beat him only being A/K. and a few flushes, and then 10/10, Q/Q, Q/10, and Q/J, possibly A/A and K/K with the club as blocker. You can also more than likely eliminate Q/10o and Q/Jo, therefore reducing your winning hands even more. Given that range that you can now have, and running it through poker stove, A/10 now has a very high equity to make a call knowing that you should not be betting most of the hands that were originally in your range.

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