Samo Deep Part 3

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Dated:
May 30th, 2010
By:
Niman Kenkre
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
2650 Views
16 Comments
10.0010
(10 Ratings) 10.00

Samo's third installment of his deep MSNL series.

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  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Samo Deep Part 3
    30 May 2010 at 8:58pm
    Discussion for Samo Deep Part 3.
  • Ninja666 Ninja666 Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    way too long. 45mins would be ...
    31 May 2010 at 12:24pm
    way too long. 45mins would be great.
  • RovinGambla RovinGambla Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    yes i hate getting more bang for...
    31 May 2010 at 8:49pm
    yes i hate getting more bang for my buck and i'm incapable of stopping the video at 45 minutes and coming back to watch the rest later.
  • Wilsonc91 Wilsonc91 Poker Newbie
    33 Posts
    The AA hand you said you liked...
    31 May 2010 at 9:47pm
    The AA hand you said you liked both options either flatting or 5b but so you think you even need a 5b range in this type of spot vs good to very good opposition?.. given positions and your reputation for not being a huge 3b/4b monkey preflop it seems like not even having a 5b range may be better for you in spots like this.
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Wilson, that is an excellent point....
    31 May 2010 at 10:11pm
    Wilson, that is an excellent point. It seems very odd to not have a five betting range at all - but against a good player who knows my playing style and my ranges and is not going to just blow off his money with KK or less, it is certainly a reasonable argument to suggest that I should never five bet with any hand when in position and deep. I have to think some more about that: that is a really astute observation.
  • tompoker88 tompoker88 Poker Trainee
    78 Posts
    I guess you are talking about 4-betting,...
    1 Jun 2010 at 12:09pm
    I guess you are talking about 4-betting, not 5-betting. I too think, not having a 4-bet range in that spot is better than a balanced 4-bet AA+bluff range, given the dynamics, because if we call with our top range, we can include even more speculative hands as well, which leads to more pots in a big pot in position, with a pot-to-stack ratio which favors us. Just wanted to say this: I love your instructional approach very much! Thank you. Tom
  • tompoker88 tompoker88 Poker Trainee
    78 Posts
    @ 62 minutes where you have AK...
    1 Jun 2010 at 9:45pm
    @ 62 minutes where you have AK vs Cas1noRoyale, wouldn't it be a pretty safe c/f on the river, because, as you said, he can't valuebet worse but is also unlikely to ever have a bluff (at least i assume so)? furthermore, there are very little worse hands he can call the river with, he might even fold AQ, assuming he would bet the turn with it. If he is a good player, he will recognize, that you never have a bluff in that spot and all your valuehands have AQ beat.
  • babaGato babaGato Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    I really like your video, but in...
    3 Jun 2010 at 10:39am
    I really like your video, but in the 88 hand vs casino royale and the AA hand vs kes1981 I am really missing thoughts about your perceived range. you talk a lot about the possible holdings of villain and that he might go for c/r on Flop and Turn but you don't consider what your hand looks like. In both cases your range is capped as you would never check back twice with a set or a straight. As both oponents are thinking players, you should include this in your decision process.
  • babaGato babaGato Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    and when a player 3bet/call 4bets...
    3 Jun 2010 at 10:42am
    and when a player 3bet/call 4bets deep OOP I would weight his range about 75% to KK , 15% QQ and 10% JJ/TT and therefore not be too scared on a JTxr board. I would prefer to valuebets 3streets or at least 2. he won't bluff you virtually never but willing to bluffcatch since your punketty and can have any 2 in this spot
  • indierokk3r indierokk3r Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    The hand with the rivered set of...
    5 Jun 2010 at 3:15am
    The hand with the rivered set of 888 around 9:00, is it possible villain is value betting with QJ or AT or a similar hand, then when you raise, decides to turn it into a bluff BECAUSE your range is so capped as having 78, and a set of 888 as your only value hands, and he can have all better sets, all straights, etc.? Or is it safe to assume villain would just assume you have a strong hand and wouldn't try to get you off of a set, even though to his reraise, a set becomes a bluff catcher?
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    @tompoker, very good question:...
    5 Jun 2010 at 9:02am
    @tompoker, very good question: I have answered in detail in the forum thread that covers this video. @babagato, even if your weightings are accurate (which I think are not), it is unlikely that a player who only calls the four bet with KK is likely to pay off the rest of his stack. I would not be happy folding my hand if he check raised me - but I am certainly not going to be thrilled to get it in either. Another thing that you might not have considered is that my line is the most likely to
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    .... most likely to induce a bluff...
    5 Jun 2010 at 9:04am
    .... most likely to induce a bluff if he has a missed hand like AK. So, deep, against a very good player on a flop that contains a jack and a ten, I still believe that my line was the highest EV line. @indierokk3r, remember that even if it is POSSIBLE that he would turn a hand like QJ or AT into a bluff, that is not enough for me to make the call. It has to not only be possible, but the likelihood of that has to be high enough to justify the pot odds. I think a common mistake is to
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    .... is to make a call when they...
    5 Jun 2010 at 9:05am
    .... is to make a call when they can envisage ANY possibility of their hand being good. That is of course, not the correct approach. Your hand has to be good a percentage of the time that is commensurate with the overlay that the pot provides.
  • Mrbrunis Mrbrunis Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Hi Niman I have a question about...
    7 Jun 2010 at 10:53am
    Hi Niman I have a question about your opening range UTG. I saw you many times raisin' marginal hands from UTG. I mean when deano 3bets you when you open the Aces UTG maybe he noticed that you opened light from UTg???? Anyway I saw you open several marginal hands Utg, I tough it was a leak.... Could you explain me the reasons of those opens?
  • Mrbrunis Mrbrunis Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    sorry I forgot a question :)

    I...
    7 Jun 2010 at 11:01am
    sorry I forgot a question :) I heard you speak about 4bets sizing.... Somewhere in the video you 3 bet BB V.S BTN with KTo at 21, the BTN 4bets at 43, and you said that the sizin' is really bad. What sinzin' would you do in that situation? I can imagine it would be bigger than he did but if you do it bigger it could coast you more money when you do it in bluff???
  • Mrbrunis Mrbrunis Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    F... I just put the comment on...
    8 Jun 2010 at 6:24pm
    F... I just put the comment on the wrong video :/ my questions were for nl200 video part 3. Sorry for this I watched it it french and post the comment on the wrong video in English. Hope you will be able to answer cheers Niman

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