Samo at 400nl Live (2)

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Dated:
Mar 12th, 2011
By:
Niman Kenkre
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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Samo plays 400nl live!

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  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    13 Mar 2011 at 1:32am
    Discussion for Samo at 400nl Live (2).
  • Isensir1 Isensir1 Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    13 Mar 2011 at 2:14pm
    Good vid Samo. I was just wondering about the AQ hand because I think I never make this fold against an agressive/decent reg. Don't think there is a ton of combo that will put pressure on us as a semi-bluff ? (on A69J with two flush draws !) Don't you think, sometimes, he'll value/protect worse (rarely I admit)? I think our hand is too strong to be folded on the turn but maybe I'm wrong : the fact that we called an UTG raise from the big blind may reinforce our perceived range. But we didn't check-raise flop (with he'd except us to do with hands like top2/sets I guess) so our range is also capped. By considerering those parameters and the oop/drawy board factor I stick to my peel turn. Am i missing something important ?
  • Isensir1 Isensir1 Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    13 Mar 2011 at 2:17pm
    And sorry for the poorness of my english, I hope you'll understand it though :)
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    13 Mar 2011 at 3:13pm
    Isensir, it's been a long time since I played this session. Could you please give me the specific details of the hand? I'll then be happy to give my analysis and answer your question.
  • Isensir1 Isensir1 Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    13 Mar 2011 at 5:26pm
    Yep. You called an UTG raise (vilain is Alphadonk2k9) with AQo (no club). Flop came As69cc, You check-called his Cbet ( he bet 18 in a 24$ pot). Turn is a jack offsuit (it wasn't a double flush draw I was mistaken in my first post) and you checked, he bet 45 in 60 with a reasonable timing (like 8 or 10 seconds). You folded, telling the jack is a bad card (which I agree obviously) and that you think he's probably not expecting you to fold here.
  • gosubay gosubay Poker Newbie
    30 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    14 Mar 2011 at 5:48am
    @Isensir1: The Jack decreases our equity from 50+% to 40% vs his range of AX, sets, twopairs, flushdraws and OESDs which is why I think it's a fold.
  • gosubay gosubay Poker Newbie
    30 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    14 Mar 2011 at 6:07am
    Hey Samo, I learnt a lot from the video. I have a few questions 1) BB vs SB, we flat J8s. Board is Ah8cKc, King10clubs cbets and we folds. a. Why is this a fold? VS a range of Top pair with decent kicker, TP + FD, sets, gutshots, FDs, backdoor straight+flush draw (KK+, 88, A8s+, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KQs, QTs+, JTs, Tc9c, Th9h, 9c7c, 9h7h, 7c6c, 7h6h, A9o+, QTo+, JTo) we have 34% equity VS a range with much more pure air bluffs (KK+, 88, 66-22, A7s+, KQs, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, A8o+, QTo+, JTo, we have 46% equity). b. We know that King10clubs is a good midstakes reg. Would your decision change if you are against a less well-balanced regular? c. Would you call if there was a spade, giving you a backdoor flushdraw?
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    14 Mar 2011 at 3:54pm

    @Isensir, while he can have some combo draws and such and the occasional A-T, you have to remember that we are playing against a range.  Given that he opened UTG, he is going to have more value hands than draws here, especially considering that this is not a spot where he would expect us to fold on the turn.  Also keep in mind that his draws will sometimes get there - and he will also sometimes barrel the river if he misses.  There will be enough nut value hands in his three barrelling range that we won't be able to profitably call a third barrel on the river, but that sets us up to fold against the missed draws also.  Basically the bottom line is that even though we are ahead some not unreasonable percentage of the time, we are not doing well against his range equity wise, which is why I think its a fairly easy fold.

  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    14 Mar 2011 at 3:59pm

    gosubay wrote:

    Hey Samo, I learnt a lot from the video. I have a few questions 1) BB vs SB, we flat J8s. Board is Ah8cKc, King10clubs cbets and we folds. a. Why is this a fold? VS a range of Top pair with decent kicker, TP + FD, sets, gutshots, FDs, backdoor straight+flush draw (KK+, 88, A8s+, Ac7c, Ac6c, Ac5c, Ac4c, Ac3c, Ac2c, KQs, QTs+, JTs, Tc9c, Th9h, 9c7c, 9h7h, 7c6c, 7h6h, A9o+, QTo+, JTo) we have 34% equity VS a range with much more pure air bluffs (KK+, 88, 66-22, A7s+, KQs, QTs+, J9s+, T8s+, 97s+, 87s, A8o+, QTo+, JTo, we have 46% equity). b. We know that King10clubs is a good midstakes reg. Would your decision change if you are against a less well-balanced regular? c. Would you call if there was a spade, giving you a backdoor flushdraw?

    @gosubay, I think we are doing very poorly equity wise against his range.  First of all, I'm not sure why you rule out second pair for him in his betting range (in a blind vs blind situation, I think we will see a cbet with second pair quite often as a form of merging).  But more importantly, I think that the general mistake that you might be making is to think about how likely our hand is to be the best hand at the moment of the flop bet - rather than to think about how well our hand is going to play equity wise.  Note that we can't really pick up any draw on the turn (one spade on the turn would make it a lot better and possibly tilt it towards a call), so we will always have to fold to a second barrel.  So he's going to win with hands that were ahead on the flop, but he'll also win with all of the weaker hands as long as he fires another bullet.  As such, our hand is really weak from an equity standpoint, and therefore should just be folded right away in my opinion.

  • gosubay gosubay Poker Newbie
    30 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    14 Mar 2011 at 11:29pm
    ok thanks a lot! what about TT-QQ in this spot? are they the same as 8X or do we expect QQ to beat merged cbets from JJ-8X which are cbetting this flop?
  • Isensir1 Isensir1 Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    15 Mar 2011 at 6:56am
    Thanks for the answer Samo :)
  • Davidabcdefg Davidabcdefg Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Re: Samo at 400nl Live (2)
    4 Apr 2011 at 9:42pm
    I love the point you made about checking on flops against good opponents who will check raise you with a well balanced range.

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