Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos

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Dated:
Apr 11th, 2011
By:
Ryan Peterson
Game:
SNG/MTT
Stake:
Micro Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
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Ryan fires up some $6.50 turbo SNGs!

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  • RyanPeterson RyanPeterson Bluefire Pro Poker Newbie
    24 Posts
    Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    11 Apr 2011 at 11:38am
    Discussion for Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos.
  • Jimbozgrapes Jimbozgrapes Poker Prodigy
    345 Posts
    Re: Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    11 Apr 2011 at 2:00pm
    okay so at 33:40 and 35:05, you are on the button with about 3x-4x the stack of anyone else on the bubble, I thought this was where you were supposed to go push crazy and own? You had J/8o and 7/4s on the button, both times even if you lost an all-in you were still extremely healthy in the tournament, although I do think they were slightly different situations. With 7/4 the bb had 5 big blinds, and with j/8 the bb had 14. However, I still thought they were both clear pushes. With the guy having 5bbs in the 7/4 hand, he is calling at most 20%, the sb is probably calling 8% or less because of the bubble factor, and you will still have a chance to win the hand. And if you do get called, and do lose the hand, you are still a massive chip leader. Anyways, if it is indeed a fold in that hand, I would like to know why, or if it is possible you made a mistake there. As far as the j/8 hand goes, that one is a little more marginal, but I definitely would advocate for a min-raise. The guy in the bb was 2nd place I believe, and there is no way he is going to play back at you with anything but a good hand. Anyways, I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Interesting set up for multi-tabling . That would actually be a great video for one of the pros to do, is go through some different ways to set up multi-tables (like 24+). Just a suggestion, at the end of the video maybe do a quick review (like 5-10 minutes) over interesting hands in sng wiz or something, there was a lot of action, and its nice to see the math for marginal situations and why or why not you should go with sng wiz, also if any mistakes were made it could be cleared up right away. All-in-all I liked the video, I really like the sng videos as a whole though so I may be a bit biased, but it was enjoyable to watch. Keep it up Ryan!
  • RyanPeterson RyanPeterson Bluefire Pro Poker Newbie
    24 Posts
    Re: Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    11 Apr 2011 at 11:32pm

    According to the ICM, both spots are indeed +EV shoves. However, there are just some situations where I deviate from ICM and err more towards common sense (or stupidity depending on your veiwpoint). I did shove very wide in a lot of spots in that game, but there are some spots where I feel it just isn't warranted.

    With the 74s, I have almost half the chips in play. There are only 400 chips in the pot, which in the grand scheme of things won't alter the outcome of this game in any way should I steal them. I know from my own playing history that when I have massive stack like this on the bubble, I end up taking to game down over 75% of the time. ICM does not account for this anywhere, and many have argued that this is one of the biggest flaws of ICM. Sure villains will call me tight, and I still have a chance to suck out if I do get called, but I don't think the risk is worth it just to increase my stack by 5.6%.

    Also, with the stack setup we had at that table, when I fold the action that occurs after my fold almost always benefits me. 3 things can happen, all of which have a positive effect for me:

    1. SB shoves into BB and wins. I'm still massive CL and now ITM with no effort.

    2. SB shoves into BB and loses. I'm still massive CL and the stack setup becomes more favorable for pwning, since the short stack will be directly to my left, which allows me to pressure the other 2 stack from the CO and BTN

    3. SB gives BB a walk, which gives more equity to BB and strips some from the other 2, allowing me to pwn wide the same as in #2.

    The J8o hand I think I just missed. Folding that hand had none of the benefits of folding 74s, since SB and BB had pretty equal stacks.

  • RyanPeterson RyanPeterson Bluefire Pro Poker Newbie
    24 Posts
    Re: Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    11 Apr 2011 at 11:41pm

    Also, I fully intended on doing some review at the end, but the vid ended up at 52 minutes as it was.  The games were taking a long time to load for some reason when I made this vid, and the disconnect obviously didn't help the timing at all.  I actually cut out about 5 minutes from the start of the session where I only had 2 of 8 tables running and nothing was really happening.

    For my setup, I use a hybrid Stacking and Tiling layout.  I use Placemint control my layout, and I have it set to "Breadth First Fill" which puts a table in each stack before it ever puts a 2nd one in any stack.  Also, I use the "Ripple Forward" option which moves the tables around after a bustout so that the oldest running table is always on the lower right, which is my natural focal point on the screen.

    I do intend to do an entire vid on what I call "Productivity Enhancements" and focus on topics like table layouts, useful software, etc.  It will probably come at the tail end of the BB series.

  • Jimbozgrapes Jimbozgrapes Poker Prodigy
    345 Posts
    Re: Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    11 Apr 2011 at 11:50pm
    Awesome thanks for clearing that up! I have been studying sng wiz a lot and surprisingly enough, I lose my large stack a lot trying to steal with 7/4 haha. I think pwning will work a lot better at higher stakes because they understand icm themselves better, and as such call a lot tighter. Damn idiots calling me with j/10 on the bubble just because I pushed a lot :P . I can't wait for that video, it sounds awesome and something I really need to learn to get my game to the next level. 6 tables is just so boring now haha.
  • aoriordan aoriordan Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Ryan Eight-Tabling $6.50 Turbos
    6 Jun 2012 at 11:57am
    great vid man. you lost me in a couple parts merely because i didnt understand the math involved with sitngos. Any vids you suggest that explain the bubble factor a little better? Im guessing poker wiz helps a lot? Also, what kind of hud are you using? thanks!

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