Phil's Deep 3/6PLO

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Dated:
Sep 3rd, 2011
By:
Phil Galfond
Game:
PLO
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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17 Comments
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Phil reviews his play from a recent session at two deep 600PLO and two deep 400PLO tables.

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  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 1:25am
    Discussion for Phil's Deep 3/6PLO.
  • DaveSave DaveSave Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 3:29am
    Love the PLO videos Phil. will watch this one the second my fever sets. Personally Id like to see more of this, and maybe some non deep tables(100bb) would be awesome, love the effort and looking forward to more videos! :)
  • sharpraiser sharpraiser Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 5:15am
    I have a question, about a hand on table 1. You called pre flop in BB with AKQ8hh, against button open and SB 3bet. Assuming both players should have wide ranges, can a 4bet be a better line in that spot?
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 6:11am
    sharp - a 4bet could be a viable option, but it's kind of risky when you have no idea of their tendencies (ranges). I prefer to leave myself some room to play postflop with someone I've already seen make a postflop mistake, and to allow the button to tag along with his weak range.
  • acehole60 acehole60 Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 10:21am
    Hi Phil, quick question about one of the last hands, namely the one on the top left, where SB (the limp-caller from another hand) 3bets you OOP and pots the two-tone flop where you have a wrap with Q985dd. You explain that if you bluff turn, then you should probably commit to a bluff on the river, given that he has a lot of hands that can call one bet in his range. I agree with this, but what do you think of the line, check back turn and bluff non board-pairing rivers if checked to? I like this line as (1) he will often bet his (good) flushes on the river, saving you money on a bluff (as in the actual hand) and (2) your line looks credible, as you would probably play this way with a small flush (right?), not expecting to get two streets of value. The question becomes, I guess, whether villain can fold two pair or sets, when we take this line (I think yes, but could be wrong).
  • GrosBlob GrosBlob Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 2:14pm
    Hey Phil, question: min16 we open KJ96s OTB, SB calls 200bb. Flop J42s, we cbet he calls. Turn 2o ... what do u think about bluffing turn AND river (none-spade), I agree only betting turn is kinda meh/slighty bad (esp. vs. tight SB player). Reasons are simple: we can have a lot more 2*** hands (15% out of openingsrange id say ?!), we block Jxxx (esp topset). Thoughts ? What do u think our betsize should be on turn and river ? Thanks in advance ! ;-)
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 8:52pm
    acehole - check back turn and bluff river is a very good option. Maybe better on average. I like to mix my bluffs up between the two. Your logic is all very good.
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 8:55pm
    Gros- Good question, and good logic. I don't disagree with anything you said, but I still prefer to use the weaker parts of my range to turn into bluffs here. We have enough showdown value that our equity in the pot outweighs the equity of a bluff, IMO. And we can't bluff with 100% of our range. The only thing I'll disagree with is our hand blocking top set (not disagreeing with the fact, of course). If a villain check calls twice, regardless of our hand, I'd put the chance of him having JJ at <1%, so not a huge concern. I even think it's very unlikely he'd c/c the flop with JJ, as he loses too much value from a 2, and it's a board that he doesn't represent much on, meaning he will be floated, called down, and 3b bluffed on the flop.
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 8:59pm
    As far as betsize, I don't think it is a very big deal as long as it's on the larger side (60-100% pot), and it's consistent with your value lines.
  • Navepoker Navepoker Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Sep 2011 at 9:30pm
    Hey Phil, 33:20 we have KQJ9 no suit otb, utg+1 opens for pot we are about 300bbs deep. Is this hand too weak with no suits? Why don't you think this is a profitable flat at least or potentially a 3bet bluff? If u were to play it which would u prefer.
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    4 Sep 2011 at 10:13pm
    Nave- I considered all 3 options at the time. I think it's easily playable v a weak opponent, and likely still playable against an average one. I think I should've called. You don't mind this hand going multiway, even though it feels like you don't want it to.
  • roxoncinho roxoncinho Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    7 Sep 2011 at 4:33pm
    who is playing in socuties account??? please tell us mr galfon
  • d0zer1 d0zer1 Poker Newbie
    14 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    8 Sep 2011 at 4:02pm
    Hi Phil, thanks a bunch for another great video ! I was thinking maybe you could touch a bit on BR management in one of your videos or maybe make one of those philosophy videos on the subject (even though i guess it isnt really philosophy). Would love to hear someones thoughts who has been around for as long as you have on moving up in todays games, NLHE vs PLO, swings of both games etc, would really appreciate it. I actually wrote a bit longer post on the same subject in the 5-10nl vid you made not too long ago that i hope wasnt as rambly as this one ...
  • The_Crocop The_Crocop Poker Newbie
    9 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    13 Sep 2011 at 6:34am
    I find myself often in situations where I dont know what to do Out of position. Would be nice if u could adress OOP play in future vids
  • roxoncinho roxoncinho Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    16 Sep 2011 at 7:58pm
    take ur time to do the next video,we still paying anyways...................
  • roxoncinho roxoncinho Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    16 Sep 2011 at 7:58pm
    take ur time to do the next video,we still paying anyways...................
  • flashwere flashwere Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Phil's Deep 3/6PLO
    3 Nov 2011 at 1:29pm
    A concept video would be nice for the next one, like all hands being the preflop raiser in position with the caller having checked the flop, or all hands getting 3 bet oop.

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