Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL

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Dated:
Apr 1st, 2011
By:
Phil Galfond
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
High Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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26 Comments
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(16 Ratings) 8.63

Phil plays 5/10 and reviews his mistakes.

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  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 9:34am
    Discussion for Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL.
  • ArtPlay ArtPlay Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 10:44am
    Hey Phil, good video. I happen to wonder if you couldn't call that turn check/raise on the 79o hand ? I mean okay, he could have slowplayed something there but most players don't, in my opinion weighing his range towards pure bluffs rather than odd slowplays. Concerning the cold 4betting issues, I do think that flatting here quite a lot as long as you have position. Jacks possibly (even though in terms of playability I'd generally tend to fold there), but particularly queens, ace-king, and even at times kings. I mean unless the game is wild (and I don't think midstakes games are, for the time being), even if you have AK/QQ you're not gonna be a huge fav' when you get it in preflop in these precise spots. I'd still be 4betting aces though, for the sake of cooler value. It's obviously unbalanced, but I think until people pick it up it's a fine way to play these situations. Thanks again for the vid'
  • ArtPlay ArtPlay Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 10:45am
    Oh well, line spacing doesn't seem to work too well :)
  • thedarknight thedarknight Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 11:08am
    at the hand with AK on the 443 board if he shoved on you call or fold? because you said that you dont think you get shoved on here very often but you didnt said what you gonna do if he shove
  • MicroRoller MicroRoller Poker Newbie
    28 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 3:53pm

    You said you might continue this session in another video. If you do I'd watch it.

    I have a hard time figuring out whether I'm playing my C game vs running bad or playing my A game vs running good. After watching this I have a better understanding.

    Plus listening to you comment on your C game is almost like having you comment on my A game :)

    There was a lot of good information in this video.

  • Graffa Graffa Poker Newbie
    16 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 4:23pm
    what is that for a sick tic tic tic sound that comes up often during the vid in the backround ? cant imagine what it is :D
  • deezie deezie Poker Newbie
    24 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    1 Apr 2011 at 5:36pm
    is the first interesting hand, the TT on 4TJJQ such a clear river shove? I'd fear only getting called by full houses and as played the only fh he can really have beats us. You wouldnt shove flushes or straights would you?
  • ghetifal ghetifal Poker Trainee
    80 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 4:05am
    Really liked this. The instruction is more important than the quality of play. Having a video like this thrown in the mix can be very insightful because things you consider bad or too auto-pilot might be things that viewers do without realizing, and they might not be addressed without you looking at one of your "C-game" sessions. Looking forward to the next one in this series.
  • gosubay gosubay Poker Newbie
    30 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 12:55pm
    BU with JJ vs CO's 3bet: Wouldn't it be better to cold call your entire range of 88+/AQs/AK? I think we look ultra strong when we cold4bet. And when we know he has AA 80% of the time after the min5bet, can't we just setmine and fold a non Jack flop?
  • smoothcriminl smoothcriminl Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 1:04pm
    Thats exactly what i tought. Why not even consider a call there on the button with jacks.
  • RaisingCain RaisingCain Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 1:53pm
    (why not flat JJ they asked) ...bc the original raiser gets to reraise... JJ seemed like an insta fold to me at 5/10, unless the 3bettor is some kind of AEjones-3-betting-the-under-the-gun-guy-is-profitable type, and even then I have to worry about the original raiser. I'd almost wish I had air there, to bet fold, or a suited ace as an aces blocker, and even then, just folding is better. I mean, robot logic works pretty well in this spot... utg bets, utg+1 raises, sure it's not full ring, but ranges are still strong, utg gets to reraise, get out. Might as well have deuces here if you are hoping to get it in vs AK. And, would we even be remotely tempted with 22? Also... does villain call a jam with KJJJ when you had the boat? I am usually pretty spewy but felt that I just call with my JJTTT there. Seems weak, but that's how I felt. Not thinking of ranges, just felt like Q then the bet was bad news...kringe-against-read-call, the ole, will he call with worse? I do call his check raise with 97 on 7 turn, but it's pretty exploitable if he wants to barrel the river and apply further pressure. Interesting spot if you think he will keep pounding. I wonder how often he bluff-barrels various rivers? Makes me think I made an error thinking "this is bluff, call" and not think "will he continue to put pressure on that I cant handle"... at least I missed asking that of myself. Sadly, I think I end up holding on on most rivers. I'm pretty easy to value stack sometimes...
  • RaisingCain RaisingCain Poker Newbie
    40 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 1:54pm
    ps: and even AEjones likes to wait til a few others fold before he goes after utg raisers...
  • DukeMuckEm DukeMuckEm Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 3:43pm
    double cold call with JJ sucks because we can't really have bluffs in our range... and that's always really bad. ;)
  • ElTorreroRubio ElTorreroRubio Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 5:24pm
    What in the world is that horrible clicking sound? Driving me insane. Am I the only one?
  • Possu81 Possu81 Poker Newbie
    45 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    2 Apr 2011 at 10:10pm
    This is a 10/10 video. Interesting to see some C-game with golden A-game analysis.
  • kaputter kaputter Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    3 Apr 2011 at 5:16am
    Hell, this click click is driving me nuts.
  • spiff21 spiff21 Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    3 Apr 2011 at 7:50am
    mouse clicks
  • hobiejuan1 hobiejuan1 Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    3 Apr 2011 at 9:12am
    What the fuck is that noise?
  • deezie deezie Poker Newbie
    24 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    3 Apr 2011 at 12:56pm

    people get the opportunity to hear the thoughts of one of the greatest poker minds out there, who has been crushing the nosebleeds.. and they feel the need to complain about a clicking sound

  • Pieton Pieton Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    4 Apr 2011 at 3:06am
    I think shoving TT boat is good. If Vilain is folding the top of his bluff cathing range like KJ, well just shove anytime, turn any hand into a bluff when you get to those kind of spot in river, it would be insanely profitable. There has to be a delicate balance where he has some hand that he is bluff catching with that allow us to value bet 'thiner'. I understand the phylosophy of he cant call with worse but I think its the wrong angle to look at it. He will call with worse sometimes,he is human probably dosent like to fold trip J for a small bet and he has to have some kind of bluff cathing range if he dont want to be exploited by very strong opponents who can pull out shophisticated bluffs.
  • MadBoy MadBoy Poker Trainee
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    4 Apr 2011 at 8:44am

    Thank you for the vid:)
    I definitely think that it was very valueable and hence I also would like to watch the other vids that you coul make out of your sesssion there.

    few questions on the TT-hand at min. 10.38

    What would be the worst hand on the river which you would Value_ch/Jam here?

    Would you here consider to turn something lik ATs, or another Tx_hands into a bluff?

    What would be the worst hand that you would C/Call here only?

    All the questions refers to you being readless as you have been in the hand.

    After he has shown that he calls a UTG-oR  in the bTN with a weaker offsuite Broadway probably of course some things would change.

     

  • RaisingCain RaisingCain Poker Newbie
    40 Posts
    Re: Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    4 Apr 2011 at 8:54am

    Pieton wrote:

    I think shoving TT boat is good. If Vilain is folding the top of his bluff cathing range like KJ, well just shove anytime, turn any hand into a bluff when you get to those kind of spot in river, it would be insanely profitable. There has to be a delicate balance where he has some hand that he is bluff catching with that allow us to value bet 'thiner'. I understand the phylosophy of he cant call with worse but I think its the wrong angle to look at it. He will call with worse sometimes,he is human probably dosent like to fold trip J for a small bet and he has to have some kind of bluff cathing range if he dont want to be exploited by very strong opponents who can pull out shophisticated bluffs.

    I mostly agree here... in fact, I see this " he wont call me with worse" idea being misapplied at the midstakes as one of the biggest leaks of tight regs.

     

    Like I said, I mostly just had a bad feeling and was not thinking about broad ranges as much as, "wow, I think he is beat here; that river is bad" ... and that is different than "will he call me with KJJ?" althought the thought that he might have a folding hand (real hand or bluff) made me even less inclined to raise. So, given my (perhaps lucky) perceptions of his range (bluffs I beat, a few coolers I lose to, and some hands that he won't call a raise with, and a rare hand he bet calls with that is worse -- instead of him check calling with worse), I did not like raising. But, if I did not have that gut feeling, I would also have raised, all things considered.  I once river shoved king high for value (and got called by Queen high) in a 2K pot, so I get your point.  (Note: usually though, I shove king hi into the nuts as a stupid bluff, so don't get me wrong here, I often play bad).  

     

     

  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    6 Apr 2011 at 5:24pm
    Hey Guys. Sorry about the sound! It was me obsessively playing with these screws that were sitting on my desk. I didn't think the mic would pick it up. Won't happen again.
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    6 Apr 2011 at 5:25pm
    Was gonna discuss the TT hand, but I think you guys have covered it well. Nice job. I feel like we are still ahead of a calling range, even though we can potentially be beat.
  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    7 Apr 2011 at 12:42pm
    Update! Not that it matters at this point, but the clicking sound wasn't me playing with screws, it was my recording software having a stupid setting to add mouse click sounds to videos. I almost did it again this week, but I just figured it out.
  • vitinhodzi vitinhodzi Poker Newbie
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    Re: Phil Plays His C-Game At 5/10NL
    17 Nov 2011 at 3:55am
    Nice show your "bad poker"! You are the man! :D

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