Phil at 25/50PLO Live

Discussion for Phil at 25/50PLO Live.

34:20 - Why do we hate getting 4bet with the 5522 when we can still profitably setmine? I calculated +$150 equity calling vs original raiser's equity and +$190 if button cold-4bets behind. (Against AA** that is. I assume we don't do any worse against a wider 4bet range.)

Why do we hate getting 4bet with the 5522 when we can still profitably setmine? I calculated +$150 equity calling vs original raiser's 4bet and +$190 if button cold-4bets behind. (Against AA** that is. I assume we don't do any worse against a wider 4bet range.)

Did you just mean you hate it because you make less money than you would when he doesn't have a 4betting hand?

I think it's actually pretty cool that - on top of all the other benefits of 3betting this hand that you talked about - even if villain gets lucky and has the top of his range here we can still profitably continue AND our decisions are really easy. So I'm indifferent to a possible 4bet. Am I missing something?

Edit: added timestamp.

# Great video! The more tables of 2550 u can add, the better ;). # U play very tight in early postion, in other video and this u folded: QQT9r, ATT5s,JJ97s (all in top17%), standard for you, reasoning behind these folds ?

Oh and definitely would be cool to see a half NLHE half PLO deep video!

Firstly, since you kept playing after stopping the video, I think this would actually have made a great multi video series, because there was a lot of great stuff in this one. I think I could have kept watching this video for a long time, since I liked the pace a lot and was able to really think through the hands and see where I'm off after you explain your thinking.

11:30 in, you 4 bet AKK8 with nut suit against Jeans who you say is on the tighter side making this a little more marginal, and I assume you also have a pretty tight preflop image, so if there were ever a dynamic where this could be a bad 4-bet, would this be it?

 

59:50 in, is there merit to just betting with your bottom pair, OE and BDFD just to clean up the equity that any 8 cards they have together might otherwise realize against your hand? Do people go for check raises here often even when you don't have the initiative?
Once you check behind (which makes a lot of sense because so many turns are playable with this hand), what do you think of villains 3-bet with blockers? When you raise the turn, what exactly are you representing in his eyes? If you are representing the nuts which he thinks you don't have because he has blockers, wouldn't it make more sense for him to just float to look even more like he has it? You say in the video you expected him to just call with a straight, so does this make both the turn and river call easier? If he does just call to represent the straight though, how would he have to play the river? Would leading the river be less credible than his 3-bet?

Also, if I understand the play correctly, do you bluff raise turn, float a 3-bet expecting to be behind, and then call a river bet?

I agree 4betting the AKK8 vs Jeans is a good play, but calling the 5bet jam? seems quite bad...you're calling 3350 to win 6750, meaning u need 33% to break even on the call. Meanwhile I don't see how in reality he has a non AA** hand here, against which you have 26.10% with your holding. So even if you were to give him some non AA hands in his range (which from my experience I doubt very much) it still probably would be a bad call, maybe break evenish at the very ideal realistic range u assign him. So all in all, I really don't see why you call there. Is it a metagame decision that you just don't want to ever fold to 5bets in fear of being exploited due to it? do you at least agree that in a vacuum that's a bad call mathwise?

Very good vid as usually Phil! I would love to see more deepstacked play vids from you. My only complain about vid is please no overlapping, it gets confusing and annoying. If you are playing more than 4 tabls you could swap the tables, but please no overlap.

Would like to see a video in which u talk something about pre-Flop spots because u fold a lot of hands i would open with. It´s a very nice vid! 63:50 bottom right with your fd and wrap on 996x. Why ure pushing the turn there? I think it´s a c/c turn because your bet/3-Bet Flop and then c/ an turn looks like a pure bluff on a paired board with u would do often in villain´s opinions, so he can bluff his peels.

Why is it an obvious checkback in the beginning of the video with the Q4xx hand ? I mee your represent QQxx / Q9xx alot? and can get him to fold just the hand he has or AQxx(combodraw)

Why do you donks even bother asking questions?, If you can't figure it out then go play penny stakes, lol.