Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO

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Dated:
Oct 20th, 2011
By:
Phil Galfond
Game:
PLO
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 1 - 2 Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
12389 Views
17 Comments
9.0010
(6 Ratings) 9.00

Phil reviews his play from a 2 table session of 5/10 PLO.

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  • PhilGalfond PhilGalfond Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    554 Posts
    Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 1:39am
    Discussion for Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO.
  • shahrad shahrad Poker Newbie
    27 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 10:37am
    Very nice comments as usual, although I would prefer to see you rambling less about preflop play. Your fisrt live play was terrible, but since then I did very like all of your live sessions. I also did like your hand reviews together with Don a lot. What I really would like to see, is, you playing live HU anonymously. What I really hate: mixed vids. TYVM
  • shahrad shahrad Poker Newbie
    27 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 10:42am
    Why I hate miexed vids: NLHE should be allowed from 70. It is as boring as Romme.
  • roxoncinho roxoncinho Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 1:53pm
    hi.how about a video talking about non showdom winnings at plo and how u think the line should go etc etc. tx
  • FakeEmpire FakeEmpire Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 2:01pm
    Loves this live video. I don't mind your preflop comments as long as they don't come in the way of postflop comments. Commentaments > no comments! I would like to see a 4tabling video of live MSPLO. 2-4 to 5-10. I would also like to see a video where you focus alot on exploitative play, and not so much highstakes GTO play which dont apply that much to us at the lower limits.
  • ZenPoker ZenPoker Poker Newbie
    30 Posts
    Re: Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 2:54pm

    shahrad wrote:

    I also did like your hand reviews together with Don a lot.

    Oh yeah, those were good vids too. Very thorough analysis of some really interesting spots and IIRC Don asked a lot of great questions like "what if the river had been X" or "what if he had checked instead of betting", instead of just going over what actually happened in the hand.

  • straightaway123 straightaway123 Poker Newbie
    28 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    21 Oct 2011 at 6:31pm
    Like the PLO but more NL please
  • phatstax phatstax Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    22 Oct 2011 at 2:46am
    good video.. more 5-10 plo 6max
  • zachucsb zachucsb Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    23 Oct 2011 at 5:09am
    In the hand that you 3bet OOP and barelled turn and gave up on river, villain checked back K4 (Kings-up). I will assume you two had little to no history. Following questions: A) What do you think of his river check? B) How often would you check K4+ on river? I would assume his hand is good 80% of the time. Although I do think that river is a good spot for you to check some strong hands allowing him to bluff missed draws and value cut worse hands. You checking vs the worse hands is only better if he both can value bet thinly and occasionally call a check raise. Its extremely suboptimal when he checks back hadns as strong as K4. Your thoughts. And one overall related suggestion for your video making. Try to comment on these type of things more. Like dont finish the hand analysis with okay yes he did have two-pair. Try to extrapolate what you think villain should have done in the hand. For example, while watchin the hand, I was wondering in villains shoes would I have jammed turn with K4 for value against draws? What do you think of his turn play? Thanks for a great video; just some constructive critique. --Zach
  • baagaam baagaam Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    23 Oct 2011 at 8:32am
    I'm only interested in PLO video and I like any format you might think of :)
  • sharpraiser sharpraiser Poker Newbie
    11 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    23 Oct 2011 at 9:51pm
    The website has already a lot of good instructors in NLHE. For balancing purpose, you should be making between 2/3 and ¾ of your videos on PLO. Maybe you could alternate with 1 PLO and 1 mixed live play. I liked very much your last live video (mixed). The content was as good as if it was an academic one. Of course I would enjoy watching some pure theoretical videos from you on PLO. But I know it takes much more time to produce. So any format will be fine. I don’t care so much about the stakes you play for. For live videos, playing on 4 tables or maybe 3 tables and the replayer should leave you well enough time to comment the interesting spots. I also liked the leak finders with Don. Just if you could ask him to have less flashy cards for the next one. By the way, I don’t see you as a nit pre flop. A hand can be ranked in the top 20% on pro poker tools, and have so little playability that it is a fold UTG in a tough game. I play myself way too loose and it helps my game to see and understand your hand selection pre flop. So please don’t loosen up for the sake of the videos.
  • ghetifal ghetifal Poker Trainee
    80 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    24 Oct 2011 at 3:13am

    As far as types of videos, I think its good to mix things up rather than to find the one type of video that pleases the plurality the most. I mean, even if live commentary is preferred over post audio or vice versa, don't give up on one of them altogether because I think its helpful to see videos in both formats because they bring out different aspects of what you have to offer as an instructor. You probably should have a slight bias towards making PLO videos as someone else pointed out for a few reasons. One, you are more of a "PLO expert than No-Limit expert" (in your own words). Two, there are already a lot of good NL instructors at BFP, and thirdly, PLO is far more unknown to a lot of players, and there is more to discover in it than in 100bb NLH. 2 PLO:1 NL is probably good, with some mixed vids ocassionally.

    One thing I like about two tables is that its easier for me to really think through the spots you get in rather than rushing around from table to table listening to what you say. I can pause and even write out my thought processes then use your analysis as a kind of leak finder, whereas that kind of in-depth video watching becomes a little harder with 4 tables. At the same time, 4 tables lets us see more tricky spots, so I wouldn't want to have all one format at the expense of the other.

  • ghetifal ghetifal Poker Trainee
    80 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    24 Oct 2011 at 3:48am

    30:40 you call CO open in SB with AQ99ds. When you turn the nuts after the flop checks through, you say that if you do bet the flop, you think checking the turn is best when called. I don't know the combinatorics very well of PLO, but how much of his range is J-high flushes or lower at this point? When he calls the turn bet, does he really have more floats/missed draws that will bluff then he has showdown hands that he'd be willing to call again but not bet himself? Whats the worst hand you would value bet in his spot after checking back flop, calling turn, then facing a check on the river? Whats the worst you would call turn and river bets with in his spot? Whats the worst hand you would call river bet with if you bet-called in villains shoes with a flush on turn?

     

    Hand that starts at 36:00, you turn the nuts in 3 way pot that checked through flop and you bet because the button will so often check behind, and if you did check raise the field, you would look super strong. Should that play be considered even without a ton of blockers? You say you would need blockers but that might be too tight, so on further reflection, IS that too tight? Is this an excellent spot to just be giving up on 3 way pot with air (since at least one of them likely has marginal showdown type hand that a bluff might not profit against) but then decide to check raise those times when a bet and call do happen?

    Lastly, you say that by playing tighter preflop, you make the game "simpler" in the face of so much early street aggression. Do you think you are giving up any EV in exchange for making the game simpler? I suppose you also have less variance which is also a decent reason to give up small amounts of EV, but seeing as you are likely the top dog or in the top 3 as far as your PLO ability, shouldn't getting in those "less simple" early street spots be GOOD for you? Also, are excellent players like Skjervoy and Hastings not really gaining anything by opening UTG wider than you open the cutoff? What about when Zypherin is present? If your early position tightness doesn't cost anything (or possibly even increases EV) does being tighter than most on the CO give up more? Are you giving up good spots in position against the blinds by overestimating the players on the button? This isn't a critcism of tight preflop play, but rather an exploration of what goes behind it, as its something I probably need more of.

     

     

  • vanHelsing vanHelsing Poker Newbie
    16 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    25 Oct 2011 at 9:41am
    I signed up solely for your PLO content. I don't watch NLH, I don't watch other authors. So I'd be more than happy with more PLO content from you.
  • simona75 simona75 Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    27 Oct 2011 at 7:08pm
    Phil, early in the vid around 3:00 with the multiway preflop allin hand that you weren't involved in Flotsam cold calls out of the SB with QQ**ds 100bbs deep vs UTG, a shortstack and the CO. You say that his call is "definitely fine, somewhat standard" in the vid, is that really the case? I'd have thought it's way too loose. Definitely as much PLO content as possible imo though, keep up the good work!
  • simona75 simona75 Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    27 Oct 2011 at 7:11pm
    ^edit: *Flotsam cold calls the CO 3 bet
  • maloosak maloosak Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Phil 2tables 5/10 PLO
    11 May 2012 at 11:45pm
    Phil, Thank you for doing a 2 table video. I think when you are teaching, it's better to do 2 and not 4 tables. I have learned a lot more from one and two table sessions on this site,simply because the instructors can focus on what they are trying to convey. Hope you are having fun in Canada.

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