Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)

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Dated:
Jan 27th, 2012
By:
Niman Kenkre
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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10 Comments
9.0010
(2 Ratings) 9.00

Niman continues with part 3 reviewing Bluffalobill's play at 4 tables of NLHE.

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  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
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    Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    28 Jan 2012 at 1:39am
    Discussion for Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3).
  • yes100 yes100 Poker Newbie
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    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    28 Jan 2012 at 6:10pm

    Hi Niman, really like your videos!

    Just wanted to ask something about the AQ hand at min 22:19 on table 4.

    You say you prefer leading the flop because we are in a guessing game when we check/call the flop on a lot of turns. Aren't we still in a guessing game when we lead the flop on these turns? He will still have Flushdraws and KhQx type hands so we basicly just bet out air of his range so he might hit the broadway/heart turns even with a higher frequenzy.

    If we lead and a heart hits the turn would you check/call or keep barreling? I really like a lead too but especially because it allows us to lead with GS/FDs too, as you said.

    Another problem I see if we lead / and what me always prevents doing it, is that by just raising villian can put us in a really tough spot even with AQ (on later streets) and ofc. fold out our weak draws and we are in a guessing game again.

    It would be really great if you could go a little more into detail whats your plan on various turns after leading and how you would react to a raise. Thank you in advance and again for your great videos!

  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
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    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 1:52pm
    yes100, Thanks for the compliments. It's been a while since I made this video, and in order to answer your question properly, I'd need to know more about the hand that you are describing. Could you please provide details of the hand - and then I will answer your questions as best I can. Thanks, Niman
  • yes100 yes100 Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 2:27pm

    It's 3-handed and we are holding AsQh in the SB and decide to just flat against a 2,5x BU OR.

    The BB folds and the Flop comes Ah4cTh

    Hero checks and you say you'd prefer leading ... (as decribed in my recent post)

     

    Thank you in advance for your help!

     

    yes100

  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 2:41pm

    OK - those are great questions.  If we lead here, our perceived range is going to be aces (strong like we have as well as weak ones) and flush draws in addition to hands like KQ, QJ, etc.  But if we check and call, our perceived range is going to be more heavily weighted towards aces and flush draws - since it will usually not be a good idea to check call with KQ or QJ on this board in these positions. 

    Checking to raise is a very bad idea, because if he calls our checkraise, he can not only easily be slowplaying a hand that beats us, but there are so many ugly cards in the deck (kings, jacks, hearts, etc) that leave us uncertain about our standing in the hand.  Having seized the initiative, we either have to follow through blindly (which is reckless) or we have to check and leave ourselves in a guessing game on any one of many bad turns.

    If we check to call, his range is essentially any two cards, so we really don't know where we stand if he continues to barrel on many cards that coordinate with the flo.  We also run the risk of him checking back and taking a free card with many hands that can hit something quirky on the turn for free.

    Leading out clarifies his range a little more, charges him for gutshots and the like, and allows ourselves to take the initiative without having to appear weak by giving it up later in the hand. 

    Great questions:  I hope that make sense!

  • bhtopspin bhtopspin Poker Newbie
    21 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 5:12pm
    Niman, the QQ hand on a 6Td3d board, the opponent was short stacked, he only had around 35bb to start the hand... so is there really ever a fold on turn when he shoves? I think given all the draws, the Tx, etc, I think it is 100% call right?
  • tompoker88 tompoker88 Poker Trainee
    78 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 5:32pm
    Hello Niman, i would like you to comment on my post regarding "calling 4-bets oop" made in the comments section on the second part of this series. Cliffs: calling 4-bets oop when we have 28% pot odds and 33% equity with 65s against a good player. Thanks
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 5:43pm

    bhtopspin, please give me the details of the hand and the stacks, and I'll be able to answer in detail.  Thanks!

  • bhtopspin bhtopspin Poker Newbie
    21 Posts
    Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 6:12pm
    Niman, here are QQ hand details: 3 handed, table 3. Hero is in sb. Button folds, hero raises to 13 from sb with QsQd and bb calls. Flop 6sTd3d. Hero cbets $15 into $26, bb calls. Turn is 2c, pot is now $56 and opponent has $113 left. Hero bets $30 and opponent goes all from $83 more. You did not mentioned that opponent was short stacked, but you said this is tricky spot and folding is an option.. but with only $83 more to call, it is pretty easy call right? I know this software is pretty difficult to follow with all the short handed action but also keep track of stack sizes.
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Re: Niman's XStorm 400NL Review (3)
    2 Feb 2012 at 6:30pm

    bhtopspin wrote:

    Niman, here are QQ hand details: 3 handed, table 3. Hero is in sb. Button folds, hero raises to 13 from sb with QsQd and bb calls. Flop 6sTd3d. Hero cbets $15 into $26, bb calls. Turn is 2c, pot is now $56 and opponent has $113 left. Hero bets $30 and opponent goes all from $83 more. You did not mentioned that opponent was short stacked, but you said this is tricky spot and folding is an option.. but with only $83 more to call, it is pretty easy call right? I know this software is pretty difficult to follow with all the short handed action but also keep track of stack sizes.

    Yes bhtopspin, based on the details that you are providing me, this is indeed an easy call.  I'm not really sure what I was thinking or if I had misread the stacks or the board when I thought it was a tough decision.  Sorry for the confusion.

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