Niman's Live Hand Analysis

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Dated:
Oct 22nd, 2011
By:
Niman Kenkre
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
High Stakes
Teaching Method:
Replayed Hands
Language:
English
Type:
Full Ring
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20 Comments
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Niman analyzes hands played live at deep 10/25.

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  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 1:15am
    Discussion for Niman's Live Hand Analysis.
  • happyeaster15 happyeaster15 Poker Newbie
    2 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 5:12am
    Hi! Please move to Canada/or another country that allows online poker so that we can watch your online live session vids again!! I love those and everyday I pray that you will do more so that I won't have to go to bed and cry again. Thanks!
  • robrob74 robrob74 Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 11:26am
    Very interesting read with the pocket 7's. Wow! Makes me think of all the times I lost to villain river raises who I knew were tight players and lost to them. I need to go through this same type of analysis in my game. Great video!!
  • brtnboarder brtnboarder Poker Newbie
    17 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 12:37pm
    wouldn't you c/r a full house in the final hand (given that most worse hands that are calling are betting themselves)? with your particular hand, doesn't it check through some percentage of the time and you're good?
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 7:53pm
    @happyeaster and robrob, thanks very much for the compliments. Seeing as how I am a single father raising my son who just started school, I won't be able to move any time soon. But I'm keeping my fingers crossed for online poker coming back in the not too distant future! @brtnboarder, could you please remind me of the hand? It's been a while since I recorded the video.
  • Bluffalobill Bluffalobill Poker Newbie
    40 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 9:15pm
    Very interesting video! Thanks!
  • kimoser22 kimoser22 Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 9:24pm
    RE: @brtnboarder's comment, the hand he is referring to is when you turn your small flush into a bluff, I also have the same question. Good vid though, sorry the replayer didn't work out.
  • Nielsio Nielsio Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 9:26pm
    Same question for me, re: river lead vs c/r.
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 9:29pm

    Guys, as I said, it has been a very long time since I made this video.  If you'd like me to comment on or answer questions about specific hands, then please review the action of the hand for me.  Thanks!

  • Nielsio Nielsio Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Oct 2011 at 10:31pm
    You lead the flop in a limped pot from the blinds with a low flushdraw. You c/c the turn with a flush versus two players. You lead the river pot-sized when the top card paired (Q).
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    24 Oct 2011 at 8:07am
    Nielsio and others, I don't mean to belabor the point, but this is completely insufficient information for me to provide any meaningful analysis. Please understand that there is usually a significant amount of time between when I make a video and when it is published to the site. When you refer to hands and then recap them so cursorily, it is nearly impossible for me to provide my insight and analysis with so much information lacking. Therefore, I request that if you want specific analysis regarding a hand, please provide me the details of the hand. As you guys obviously know, the specific variables involved in a hand (positions, number of players, flop texture, etc) are all very important factors in making a decision. Without that information, I can't really give any worthwhile analysis. Having said that, I'll go ahead and look up this hand on the video so that I can respond to you guys. But in the future, please try to provide relevant detail so that you can spare me from having to look up the hand in the video. Thanks in advance.
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    24 Oct 2011 at 8:26am
    OK, I've now looked up the hand. I strongly disagree with a cr for the following reasons. The flop was Q-5-2 and no fewer than seven players saw the flop. This is obviously not a flop in which anyone who entered the pot voluntarily can realistically have two pair. (note that the one exception to this is me in the blind since I am completing the big blind getting a large overlay). ... Now on the turn, the 8c completes the flush. I check, and the first caller bets - with the tight, good player having overcalled on the flop. We've already established that he can't have two pair here, and I made it clear in the video that this player is always raising a set on the flop. So his range here is a flush and a hand like Ac-Qx or Ac-Ax. Now the tight, good player calls again on the button. There is absolutely no chance that he has a hand that is not a set, flush, or exactly Ac-Qx here. ... Now they both see that after having led into a seven way pot on the flop, I now check call the turn. Think about what my perceived range from their perspective is. ... Now when the queen hits, I almost never have the best hand. My one hope was to be against two sets or Ac-Qx and a set. But they can't both have the Ac, so the ONLY combination in which I have the best hand is if one guy has Ac-Qx and the other guy has 4c-3c (note that (and perhaps 4c-2c/3c-2c if they somehow chose to play those hands) are the only two hands that I can beat - and in order for me to be good, they would have to be the exact two hands that both players have: obviously a very unlikely overlay. ... Meanwhile, consider the perceived ranges from the other two guys. They have the same information that I do, so there is absolutely no chance that any hand that is less than the nut flush is going to bet. So there is the chance that the hand checks through and I lose (note that is almost never checks through with me showing the winner). Note that is more likely to happen if the tight good player on the button has the best flush. And more importantly, when I lead into seven players on the flop, then check call on a flush card, and then check raise on a board pairing card, the calling range against my check raise has me crushed. So checking to raise would be the worst possible play in my opinion. I think that my play was very opportunistic and given the parametrics of the situation, the best option. I would rate check folding (which I would have done on any card other than a queen or the 4c or 9c) second, followed by check calling (if the second player bets and the button folds) with check raising as the worst option. I suppose that a check raise could have the twisted benefit of actually getting 22 to fold - but I think that is overreaching a little.
  • luckydhaliwal luckydhaliwal Poker Newbie
    14 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    25 Oct 2011 at 1:29am
    Hello First I wanted to to say great video and thank you very much for trying this method, it is very useful. I am hoping that one of the pros can make a similar video with lower live cash game analysis. I love the information that you provide, however the people that I am playing just aren't even close to thinking on these levels and I would just level myself. Please if someone could do a similar thing with lower stakes, that would be greatly appreciated.
  • kengkeong1812 kengkeong1812 Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    25 Oct 2011 at 1:40pm
    villain had 88. ur hand looked like 77.
  • kengkeong1812 kengkeong1812 Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    25 Oct 2011 at 1:43pm
    - bet flop w 77, checked back turn with added outs and showdown value. and raised river w straight.
  • kengkeong1812 kengkeong1812 Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    25 Oct 2011 at 1:48pm
    oops he had 87cc. im a fish. lol
  • beirut beirut Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    27 Oct 2011 at 11:01pm
    Hey, Niman, Second hand with A2s. The pot sizes are totally messed up. On the turn it shows the pot is $735, while in reality only on the flop you all 3 put $750 together so the pot should be $1085 (3x100+3x250+10+25). So are you still betting $600 or more like $900 on the turn?
  • NimanKenkre NimanKenkre Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    1191 Posts
    Re: Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    27 Oct 2011 at 11:09pm

    beirut wrote:

    Hey, Niman, Second hand with A2s. The pot sizes are totally messed up. On the turn it shows the pot is $735, while in reality only on the flop you all 3 put $750 together so the pot should be $1085 (3x100+3x250+10+25). So are you still betting $600 or more like $900 on the turn?

    I remember that I bet about 75-80% of the pot on the turn, so if the software messed up the pot size, I might have messed up the bet size.  Whatever it was, I bet between 75 and 80% of the pot on the turn.

  • rextar rextar Poker Trainee
    53 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    23 Nov 2011 at 1:29am
    dug it! gives me lots to think about and mess around with
  • lockyer006 lockyer006 Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Niman's Live Hand Analysis
    15 Dec 2011 at 12:10am
    Very nice 77 fold! Like these Live hand analysis a lot more than the multiable stuff. thx

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