Know When To Foldem

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nut flush draw hand - couldn't he be bluff raising you because your line looks weird/bluffy / wants a cheap showdown with Kd or Jd? opponent can try to represent the nut flush and you are getting almost 3 to 1 - ez call no?

Rahal123, you are absolutely correct about the stack depths in the Prahlad hand. I don't know what I was thinking. That being said, I don't think it really changes the analysis at all.

Nut flush hand - your percieved range is weaker than your actual range. Dunno how you can ever fold.

marodoren and balmore, I thought that was exactly the point that I was trying to make in the video. maybe I did not explain clearly enough. the point is that even though I tried hard to underrepresent my hand (and was probably succesful), he is never going to raise without having it here. the key is that he is going to put me on a bluff - or on the ace. against a bluff, he can just CALL and he is never value raising a one card flush that is less than the ace. ... note also that he can't

I'm on the fence with your folding the A high flush in that spot. Your reasoning does make sense, but I'd like to here a second opinion from one of the other Bluefire pros. I think the timing of Cindy's raise would be relevant here. If she snap raised I'd be more inclined to agree with your fold.

sick video, tbh much prefer you and giggy doing videos independently, dual audio really slows the video down. Would really like to see you do a similar video to this one, maybe on situations you have to fold overpairs

beepokerking, I think prahlad is capable of shoving with less than AK if you make a small raise on the turn. furthermore (and more importantly), I think that you are for the most part, in a WA/WB situation where your hand does not need much protection. if you are ahead and not against exactly QJ, your opponent has at most five outs. therefore, I think calling is much better than raising on the turn. ... on the river, I would call with AA, because I think that lower sets are in his range.

This is a fantastic concept video. Thanks Niman!

Balmore and betman, it is because my hand looks fishy that Cindy would just call with any made hand. She is never going to expect me to take this line (nor would I ever take this line) with a king high flush or anything else other than the Ad or a bluff. Therefore, there is absolutely no reason for her to turn her hand into a bluff. If I am bluffing, she can just call with the same effect and no additional risk.

Betman, see my last comment for an explanation to your concern. If you want to discuss this or have me explain in further detail, please post in the forum thread that covers this video and I will expand.

If she has the missplayed straightflush here you can easily sort this one to "setups/coolers/ice-cold-deck/whatsoever", especially if you invest more BB preflop with hands like AK/TT Lets take this discussion to the forum :)

i dont think the ace high flush hand is a fold. the rest seem standurrrrd

(continued from below) At the end of the day though, CYNDY is most likely to have the nuts (significantly more likely) than a bluff raise with a weak di. and so a fold is probably more correct here. that said, how much does this really save you? this situation comes up so little that you probably don't save much here, but if u can fold in this situation ur folding in other good situations too which adds up in savings.

i don't understand how you could fold the nut flush. You line looks strange and the hand looks like a king high flush, so she might turn something into a bluff. Considering the great odds you have, i think it's a very quick call... In the last hand i don't like leading the river. I don't think you have draws in your range, caurse you would lead them on the turn and not check/call. So your hand looks more like KQ or two pair, so only two pair+ hands will call you. But all there hands would bet.

oops, sorry. didnt see your response below. when you say that you would either take that line with Ad or a bluff - what hands are in your bluff range in that spot? Have you played enough with cyndy to be sure she knows that you have Ad here everytime? i bet you had good reasons to assume just that in this particular hand but as presented to us saying villain is "tight" or "passive" might not be enough. i love your videos anyways, just to make that clear :)

wow! great vid I recommen eerone watch it

nice video and concept. But I disagree with the fold of the nutflush. the other people already said why. I see it the same way- you underep your hand your line looks like a cheap showdown line etc.bla, bla. But its one hand out of many minutes of superb video content by you.

Good stuff

Nice video. But the fold on nut flush fold is clearly wrong - if cindy had the straight flush why doesnt she shove all in on the river expecting to always get looked up by ace diamond. Your assumption than shes never bluffing is way off lots of good players will turn a made hand into a bluff here. She knows you cant be on a pure bluff as you call the turn so knows her one pair no diamond is no good. Id bet my bankroll that that the nut flush was good here. other than that nice analysis.

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