Jason at 100PLO 6max

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Dated:
Sep 28th, 2011
By:
Jason Senti
Game:
PLO
Stake:
Small Stakes
Teaching Method:
Session Video 3+ Table
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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7 Comments
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Jason reviews his play from a recent 4-table session of 100PLO 6max.

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  • JasonSenti JasonSenti Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    422 Posts
    Jason at 100PLO 6max
    30 Sep 2011 at 1:21am
    Discussion for Jason at 100PLO 6max.
  • SchFerreira SchFerreira Poker Newbie
    21 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    30 Sep 2011 at 11:56am
    At the end, when you get to the river with T976 on the Q95Q8 board, you say value betting is probably a bit thin. However, considering the way villain had been playing and the fact most people (and specially spewy monkeys) fight pretty hard for 3-bet pots IP, don't you think he would be betting JTxx on the flop almost always? For that reason I think on the river you can be pretty confident on having the best hand and maybe getting called by KKxx, a queen or 98xx. Wouldn't you agree?
  • iFinnaRobYouu iFinnaRobYouu Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    5 Oct 2011 at 5:21pm
    At 30:40 you have a1098 double suited IP vs nordan on Table 3. Once you get to the turn after calling villans c/r on the flop, you said that theres really no other play but to c/b in that spot. IMO this is a great spot for a block bet, to get a cheap showdown as well. Couldn't you get away with betting like $9-11 on the turn expect like you said to never get called by worse (unless 7x that he c/r bluffed flop), or better to fold, but then he's going to check the river a very high % of the time once you bet turn and thats fine b/c now you can just check back. This way if he did c/r flop then check board pairing turn with second or nut flush on flop you get to see his hand + gain info instead of c/b turn and having to fold river. Do you think this is realistic or do you still like betting turn? Sorry to go kind of overboard in a somewhat standard spot :) Thanks!
  • JasonSenti JasonSenti Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    422 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    5 Oct 2011 at 11:41pm
    Hey guys. Thanks for the questions! I have to rewatch the spots on the vid in order to answer properly. I will do that sometime in the next day or so and get back to you. Just wanted to let you know that I plan to do it.
  • JasonSenti JasonSenti Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    422 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    6 Oct 2011 at 2:56pm
    SchFerreira, I think I agree with you. It is worth noting that if his OESD is completely bare (no backdoors or pairs), he might be likely to check back the flop so he doesn't get blown off his hand if c/r'd. That said, I think he would basically always bet the turn then when checked to on a board pair. Looking at it again, I don't think the river vbet is too thin. Thanks for the input!
  • JasonSenti JasonSenti Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    422 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    6 Oct 2011 at 3:16pm
    iFinnaRobYouu, Thanks for the question. I think your thought process there is interesting and a small bet is certainly worth considering. In fact, if I bet, it would be small with my entire betting range. I still don't think I like it. If we are only getting called by worse (except for the rare 7x) we really are just burning the $9 or whatever we put in when we are behind. This is what I was talking about when I said it makes the hand easier to play. I completely believe that it will make the hand easier to play, but I am not convinced that that justifies burning the $9 when we are behind. I just don't think we gain enough value to overcome that. Let's look at a few quick scenarios: 1. He c/r's the flop w air often enough that he will bluff rivers pretty frequently. If this is the case, we are better off checking back and just calling the river. We get value from bluffs that he would've folded on the turn. 2. He is basically never bluffing on the river. We check back and win the same vs him the times he has a weaker hand. He would've folded that on the turn anyway, so there is no gain. If he bets the river we can comfortably fold and we save the $9 we would've bet on the turn. Obviously this is a game of incomplete information and we can't know which of the two scenarios is true. Because of that, there has to be some merit in making the information bet. The bet, though, is still inherently -EV as a one-street vacuum bet. I am not convinced that my river making decisions will be more -EV overall than the turn bet would be. There is some value to seeing a showdown more often, but I doubt that is worth all that much in a short session. I could be wrong on this. In fact, I am not even convinced that my river fold was correct. I think it is really close. Great question and it is definitely something to think about.
  • iFinnaRobYouu iFinnaRobYouu Poker Newbie
    6 Posts
    Re: Jason at 100PLO 6max
    6 Oct 2011 at 4:57pm
    Jason, thanks a lot for the response! I completely agree with you that on the turn by betting your not getting better to fold, and very rarely getting called by worse. All i was trying to say within all the rambling is that by betting turn, 1. He folds all his air which is fine b/c you win the pot 2. He's very rarely going to c/r turn again even if you are beat for instance he has weirdly played f/h or nut/second nut flush. 3. If he c/c turn with a hand thats beating you, he's going to almost always check river (which allows for cheap s.d.) I don't think he's ever going to lead river. And not to mention your not giving up much by betting turn because if you plan on calling a river bet, you lose less by betting smallish on turn b/c he's going to make a bigger bet on river if turn goes c/c. Even if your losing on turn b/c he has one of those value hands from above you can comfortably fold if he c/r b/c 99% its for value. So basically your just getting a showdown for less, and losing less when your beat. I could very well be wrong making all these assumptions that he's going to play hand a certain way b/c villain in this hand already showed some weird tendencies throughout vid. Thanks again you gave great points!

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