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Giggy plays in a tough HU match!
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Giggy's Heads Up Against A Tough Opponent
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Rly rly cool stuff with much interesting and partly sick postflop-situations – horny^^
Rly one of the best vid I have seen since prett< long on any coachingsite - thanks a lot:)
And yeah, a shorty review-bonus-vid would be very nice^^
Some questions:
Min. 10 – k9o:
Imo on the river your overall range is stronger than Villain`s range (you have many Jx and some BDFlushes in your range and also few boatcombos, he would have 2ndbarelled often the mentioned hands on the turn).
I guess that your SD-Value is here anyways to strong to turn it into a bluff by betting the river?
But what is about a C/R if he should bet? Furthermore what would be the best hand which you would vs. him bluff on the river by betting the river? What is the worst C/Callhand for you in this spot vs . a half PS-Bet and vs. a 2/3+PS-Bet?
Min. 17.30 – Q3s:
I agree here with checking the flop for your reasoning and also b/c this flop hits a 3betcallingrange well, so I would also have to C/F a lot…
But once he stabs so weak, I can see merits in C/in the flop.
But aren`t you scared that you overplay then your hand by C/Ring? What would you do vs. a jam/Flop3bet?
I know that C/Calling will generate tough spots later and also somewhat guessinggame, but imo C/Ring overreps here your hand somewhat.
Min. 22 – A6s:
I personally would have 2ndbarelled here bigger like I also would do with my bluffs.
Any special reason for having bet here pretty smallish (around 60% of Potsize)?
Min. 26.30 – AJo:
Actually on the flop you are here pretty top of your range (AA,KK,AQ you would 3bet pre).
What about C/Ring the flop?
Min. 34 – T8o:
Cool thoughts on this one^^ - what you actually his range is here on the river?
General question:
I am totally unsure what range you should 3bet OOP being deep?
Many ppl say for example you want to 3bet Broadways OOP, hence you wanna deep 3bet OOP depolar. b/c Villain will call more pre and hence with a wider range -> you can 3bet pre thinner for value vs. callingranges…
Another ppl are saying that offsuit Broadways are deepstacked OOP no fun, and hence you should be more attempted to pas. Defend and play OOP a single rasied pot?
What do you think on this? What hands you like to 3bet OOP deep?
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Well I've probably expressed myself a bit poorly regarding that hand... I really don't feel like I'm drawing thin when getting the stacks in, and the main reason is that I know he likes to use position and stack deepness, knowing I'm 3-betting pretty wide, to raise a lot of flops in 3-bet pots and basically take it down every time I have air.
And my way of adapting to that is going to be a lot of clicking it back as a bluff. And he knows this. So I can't only do it as a bluff, I have to use value hands that I want to get in as well. Here, KQ definitely feels like the nuts, as knowing him he could very well be raising with KJ or KT here, trying to make me cib bluff or play aggressively a straight draw out of position against what I would see as a pretty weak range.
Calling is definitely not bad, but the problem I have with calling is that I feel like he's going to give up most of his bluffs on the turn given the nature of the board. I also feel like he's raising a lot with naked gutshots on the flop, and will give up pretty much everytime unless he hits, so I'm kind of stuck giving him 2 free cards but still having to go broke on turn or river because he could still be valueing worse.
This is a lot less tricky when he calls my 3bet, as the stack/pot ratio i a lot smaller and I can just get it in very easily. So this is a mix of value/balance and trying to play the hand fast and aggressive out of position so that he can't use his position as much as he would like to.
But yeah, I wouldn't advocate that against someone who's never bluffraising these flops, and this is going to be the case for most "passive" opponents as you describe them.
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I'll keep your name in note if that comes up !
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Min. 10 :
I probably should have led anyways, as he can't even call with Qx when I lead that river and he very rarely has a straight or better, almost never. I thought I had enough SD, but thinking back on it he's going to checkback Qx often enough on the turn for a river bluff to be the optimal play.
A check/raise would obviously be pretty good with all our possible boat combos and the fact that he has non in his range. You just don't want to overdo it against someone who's a good hand reader or they'll start bet-calling you with a wider range. I guess my best bluffing hand should be 9x. And my worst check/calling hand is probably Jx, I feel like he's basically almost never going to bluff given how little he represents.
Min. 17 :
I don't think it's over repping my hand at all, mainly because I will have a lot of pure air in my range with that line, especially when he bets so small. I could decide to check-raise a gutshot after his bet or anything like that, so from that point on if he thinks I have no pairs hands often enough I will be getting enough value from my Q3 to make a value line profitable. It would be over repping against some opponents - those who are basically never going broke light - but here I'm really confident that he's going to view my hand range as polarised enough so that he calls down with worse.
Min. 22 :
This is my standard sizing for those situations, and I think it works well here because he could sometimes try a bluff-raise with the intention of folding to a shove... I definitely want to leave him just enough room for that.
I also like the stack/pot ratio I'll be left with on the river, as a slight overshove allows me to bluff that situation pretty often against what is mostly a weakish range for him, leaving him in an horrible guessing spot.
And I also don't want to bet too big so that I kind of commit myself but I'm not sure if I do when he shoves... Here I'm pretty clearly not committed, but I've sized in a way that he can't ever shove anyways so I don't really have to bet-fold or bet-call. I'd much rather have the bet-shove option available for the rare occurances where he'll decide to try a bluff.
Min. 26 :
I don't really like it... I have so few monsters in my range that he could very well use his position and take a very aggressive line and put me to a decision for all my chips on which I will be absolutely fucked. He's mostly going to value himself with weaker Ax anyways, and I gain value from bluffs by check-calling too.
Check-raising just because I have the top of my range is actually pretty absurd, as I do want to utilize that hand to protect my check-calling range so that he can't bluff me every time I check call with Kx or a lower Ax. Especially with these stack sizes and that board.
Min. 34 :
I think he's going to have a lot of combo draws and some Qx or overpairs as well. But I could be wrong, as this kind of read is extremely player dependant and we haven't played those situations pretty much ever.
General question :
Depends on how frequently my opponent 4-bets me, but in general I do like suited broadways and suited Ax, as flush draws tend to play really well in 3-bet pots. And I agree that I'd mostly like to flat offsuit broadways, unless my opponent defends way too much and I feel like I'll get a lot of value out of dominated hands when I flop top pairs.
Also mid-low suited connectors can play pretty well. And low pocket pairs as well, with which you can call a 4bet if his sizing is really small or 5bet shove if his sizing is really big.
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Yeah well the first difference is my opponent. As i said in the hand against Niman, I feel like Niman is not as aggressive as Blinchik on the river, so I'm a bit less likely to get value out of his bluffs.
Also, in the hand against Niman, the whole point is that I thought he would think I would 4-bet AK pretty much always preflop, so he would never think I had the nuts there and wouldn't think I'd be valueing worse either, leaving me with bluffs. This is not the case here, I could have any sort of nuts combo.
Also I don't have the nuts against Blinchik, and we're deep as fuck, and I feel like if we go broke I'm going to be toasted. When I raise this turn I pretty much have a really strong flush or a bluff, and I don't feel like he's going to test if it's a bluff too often being oop 300bb deep so he's only going broke with really strong flushes himself.
So all in all there's basically a world of difference between the 2 hands... the opponent, the representation of our hand, the fact that we don't have the nuts, etc. It's all those little details that you want to rightfully take into account when you play a hand, don't fall in the trap of only seeing the bigger picture and trying to find magic secrets. Analyze, think, ask questions to yourself.
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Thanks for the tip, but I don't know if such a script exists for Mac? I've searched one but didn't find anything.Would probably save me a bunch of monies.
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@giggy: Thank you very much for the answers, rly some great stuff inside:)
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Yeah I have to agree that this is a good way of seeing it, but I still think it could be the best play against a certain type of opponent. Although I agree that this type of player is usually going to be a bit weaker than your usual real tough opponent.
Some guys will just rarely take small stabs in 3 bet pots... they either pretty much never call 1-street (usually having the intention of calling you down at least twice when they call the flop) or they go for big bluffs/going broke every time they raise the flop in position.
Against this type of player, the small pair is pretty much going to play perfectly just because you can take a lot of profitable c-bets, then give up having no redraw and an opponent who calls down a lot. And every time you flop really big (which is more often than with basically any other "bluffing" hands), you can hope that this is the time your opponent either calls you down or tries his once in a while big bluff.
It's a pretty specific type of situation obviously, but still the two plays are probably close in EV even against more standard opponents. If jungleman said so though... I'll have no choice but give him the benefit of the doubt, the guy is obviously much better than me at HUNL.