Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

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20 Oct 2011 at 1:27am

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20 Oct 2011 at 5:10am

hey Giggy, really nice video, every minute of the video is interesting especially of your unconventianal style and thought processes. How many tables to you normally play to be able to still make those kind of thoughts? Looking forward to more videos!
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20 Oct 2011 at 5:31am

yeah finally giggy back on da mic! hope there will be more videos in the future. the last break was way too long. ;)
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20 Oct 2011 at 10:53am

u are sick Giggy {in a good way i mean :-) }.... the hand at the minute 5:20 on the down/left table is really nice... i bet if u gonna have s.day a x-ray scan on your brain, the light will shut down in the entire city... lol
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

20 Oct 2011 at 2:56pm

Please people agree with me that the K2 shove on the KTTT2 is extremely terrible and he should of course call, that was the only major mistake i saw. Apart from that i liked it and i like ur style. Minraising 100% from the button, nice. Is that really EV+ for all the hands in ur button opening range?

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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

20 Oct 2011 at 3:04pm

Giggy, you're a motherfucking boss, and don't you ever forget i and please don't let us wait for your videos too long. They are great.
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20 Oct 2011 at 5:05pm

finally motherf**ker ;) ... been waiting for genius stuff from you. au revoir soon i hope.
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20 Oct 2011 at 11:06pm

finally mr giggy hope for more frequent vids from you man thx a lot for the work, your vids are always very entertaining and fun (aside from good poker content obv)
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

21 Oct 2011 at 1:09am

-30.5 minutes in you flat A9o to a button raise and ch/c a 223ddx flop. When you donked the river you said you thought he'd be betting AJo and ATo on the flop which are technical mistakes. Can you elaborate on why betting AJo is a mistake on that flop? You don't think there is value to be gained from worse ace highs (i.e. your hand) calling your flop bet?
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

21 Oct 2011 at 5:42am

very good video in general, however i think you made a few big mistakes : AQ jam HU vs innerpsy on AK388 bdfd miss - I think it's a mistake to begin with, but especially big one vs that specific opponent (you said earlier in the video how he is a bit scared of you and likely to play straightforward etc.), you're NEVER getting called by worse so you're shoving into what is splits and rarely better hands (id expect him to never fold Ax given K splits Ax unless u have it beat), the fact that he happened to have A8 is kind of irrelevant as we would have lost the stack c/cing anyway but i think c/cing so that he can have his rare bluff (usually heart+heart flop gutters and maybe just naked ones if he ever gets fancy). Despite the probability of it happening being low, I think its still higher than you getting a call from Kx or something - a probability of which I'd feel safe to say is 0% vs him. another one was the K2 river 3b in the end, villain is a fish so he has either Kx/Tx/super-rare AA or air, you're not getting any value by 3b and are basically just putting money in behind or he is folding. welostalpha - i believe the point of that hand was that when you are cbetting AJ there you have to actually be able to capitalize on the fact that giggy might c/c worse Ax (but you clearly dont when you are going to fold the better hand during the next 2 streets as was the case) i think its a pretty big leak of people to put money in with marginal value only to get bluffed on later during the hand
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

21 Oct 2011 at 6:44am

sorry about no paragraphs earlier and I just recalled one more hand - don't you think when nikolas or whatever his name was opens CO, fish flats in SB and you are in BB w KTo, that squuezing to get it HU with the fish would be a preferred play given how poorly he is likely to play and that KTo doesnt play all that well multiway with not good position ? (I think usually squuezing here with most of the hands other than like small pocket pairs would be the better play?)
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

21 Oct 2011 at 11:03pm

Giggy please make videos more often, you make some of the best 6max NL videos anywhere on the web right now.

12:50, you say betting the T55r with A high was a bad play because he didn't continue betting on the turn. What if he bets planning on getting called by pocket pairs and ace high with the intention of betting again on any turn 9+? Is that still bad if he has turns in mind that he gives up on and some that he continues or should he either take his ace high equity always or else barrel majority of turns and maybe rivers?

51:30 you say that 3-betting KQo against you is not good because it is in terrible shape against your 4-bet calling range, but it seems like you open 100% of buttons and usually respond to a 3-bet by calling or folding. If you are not 4-betting often, couldn't this be a 3 bet for value since I assume you are calling with KJ, QJ, K9s+, Q9s+ as well as a bunch of other suited hands? I thought against a player who is usually responding to 3-bet by calling or folding, it is good to depolarize your 3-bet range. He still probably shouldn't 3-bet it every time, and it might be a situation where you don't plan on getting 4 bet often, so when you do, you can just muck it. However, I ran the equity of it against 99+ and AQo+ and it is only 1% worse equity than a hand like 76s (although a hand like 44 does better than both). With its blockers, it doesn't seem like it can be a HUGE mistake even if it is one against your 4-betting range.

The recap of key concepts over the last 7 minutes is just pure gold. Even if its stuff that's been said before, it is so crucial to be reminded of the importance of dynamic, exploitative play to have a crushing winrate like you do.
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

22 Oct 2011 at 8:36am

Giggy,

You mention in the video how 3betting KQo from SB is going to be a mistake vs pretty much anyone. Could you please elaborate a little bit on this?

Let's just say folding is out of the question, which leaves us with flat calling and 3betting as options. My standard against a vast majority of people is to 3b the hand, my reasoning being that the reverse domintaion risk is minimal and the only hand the villain may have in his flatcalling range that dominates me is AQ, allowing that they don't 4b the hand. Most of the time we will miss the flop and it's much easier to win the pot if you have the initiative, which is gained by 3b the hand in the first place.

I just can't see how flatcalling is a beeter option, so if you could drop some knowledge I'd be very grateful.

Edit: assuming 100bb stacks and the villain is not a huge 4betor
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

22 Oct 2011 at 9:18am

35:47 You are talking about your reads and reasons for 3betting the flop with ATo on the Kd6c9s board basically that there were a lot of GS which your opponent would Raise and then fold to a reraise and few hands he value raises. Is your decision to 3bet here largely to being OOP? If we modified the hand so that you were IP with the same hand vs a guy who CR the same range would you elect to call that CR (as a value call) or would you still raise here? Are there any factors that would lead you to calling IP / OOP against a guy with either a rising or CR range thats largely weak draws when you can identify which chunk of the board hits these draws? Thanks
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

22 Oct 2011 at 9:50am

Please explain your turn sizing at 52.27, I'd probably go for something more like 130
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

22 Oct 2011 at 10:03am

good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

25 Oct 2011 at 1:50am

Giggy, great video as usual. I couldn't help but notice that you were playing on a mac. How are you getting poker tracker running on it. Are you running a virtual machine. Thanks
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

25 Oct 2011 at 3:45am

You don't need a virtual machine (parallels, bootcamp, etc..) to run PT3 on a Mac. There is a mac version of the program that works fine.

Pretty sure PT4 which is scheduled for the end of the year should also be Mac compatible, and HEM2 also might be, but I'm not sure.
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

25 Oct 2011 at 5:31am

"good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo " same here. pretty much half the deck is a bad card for us... would be nice to hear the explanation on that hand (aroudn 39min bottom left) really really good video. i hope none of the midstakes grinders are watching this video b/c the leaks you pointed out are by far the biggest leaks people have at these stakes.
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

25 Oct 2011 at 5:39am

in the K3 hand against o-omx trip overbet turn , you dont think by overbetting turn you let him fold way more easy (plus facilement ) than with a standard bet? , i mean ok he is be a hero but he is a reg not a random fish, and he know you are good/reg standard, I thaink he is going to call / make move more often with standard sizingbet here just think he is more able to be a hero vs standard play than vs an overbet Not sure if iam right , but apreciate any argument here and if he is be a hero , once he call you turn do you think he is going to fold a lot vs overbet ship river? Thank you a lot for the video martin always a real pleasure, Feel free post more content/video ! I think you can do for a nextvideo, just make two podcast , one more technical strategy of the game , and later the other more mental , Jsut speak about what ever sub-subject, everythink you say is almost always interesting , I think if you take time to right on paper you can do really really good stuff this way If BFP dont let you make podcast (not a lot of sense but ok) play one table no more nl5k :P Thank you
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31 Oct 2011 at 2:14pm

Sry, what did you say on 00:15:51? "I just think he thinks I’m gonna WHAT"? Didn't get it and the whole thing got messed up for me. Could you please tell me what word was that or what does it mean. Thx a bunch)
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

4 Nov 2011 at 9:52am

I'm new to BFP, so I'm curious if Giggy actually answers questions in the comment section? ---- I'll post a couple comments/questions that I can think off right now. 1) About c-betting AJ or AQ on 226r boards being a common leak in regs. Do you mean when we're IP? or when we're OOP you think c/c>bet also? I can agree with you about being IP (ie. we raise BTN wAJ and BB calls, flop 226r) but if we raise MP and BTN calls, don't you think betting (even if we're just b/f here) is more profitable than c/guessing? Betting gives us the immediate FE. It gives us opportunities to barrel the turn and get small-mid PPs to fold while gaining some value from them on the flop. C/guessing makes it so that our opponent will not be making too many mistakes vs. us. He will be able to read our hand much more easily (I assume you're not too balanced here as I expect you to cbet QQ+ on that board; perhaps once in a while you'll do this with 6x or 22 or 66 but overall your range is weighted very heavily to A-high and being OOP gives our opponent a huge edge). Is my thinking flawed or maybe I misunderstood you? ----------- Another thing is I don't really agree (perhaps yet) about the KQ being a bad 3-bet in the SB. Could you elaborate on that? I think it's a great hand to 3-bet with if your opponent is not 4-bet happy. It has good card-removal properties. AK will 4-bet us preflop so we aren't worried about being dominated on K high boards when he flats our 3-bet. AQ flatting us is the biggest (and only?) downside really. But if we just flat the original pfr, then it creates a lot of disadvantages. It's going to be hard to win a lot of pots postflop. We're going to be forced to fold on 337, A72r type boards a lot and he'll pwn us with 9To or other air a ton of the time. We will win some small-medium sized pots on Q and K high boards, yes. There are many other factors I can mention but this post is getting quite long as it is and I think I made my points. Curious as to what your thoughts are about my thoughts? Thanks and very nice vid.
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

4 Nov 2011 at 9:58am

Forgot to add one thing about KQ 3-bet situation. You said that it's bad because it does terrible vs. your 4b/calling range. But the plan should never be to 3b/5b KQ. It's semi for value (when he defends QJ,KJ,KTs etc) and also as a bluff (and has great card removal as I mentioned). ---- I'm assuming the opponent isn't a 4-bet monkey who opens 60% from btn and has a 4-bet of 20% or something. Vs. those players, I like calling more because 1) They're more likely to spew and bluff too much post flop on Q and K high boards when we just flat. And 2) We can't 3B/5B jam this hand very comfortably so the card removal properties don't really apply since he's got a lot of bluffs in his 4-bet range (but not enough to 3B/5B jam)
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:07pm

Klemi1 wrote:
hey Giggy, really nice video, every minute of the video is interesting especially of your unconventianal style and thought processes. How many tables to you normally play to be able to still make those kind of thoughts? Looking forward to more videos!

I used to play up to 14 tables, but with fewer action online nowadays I've dropped to less recently. I don't recommend playing that many tables if you're not confortable doing it though. Multitabling is very dependent to every individual, as it requires another set of skills that is required to make good poker thinking, so a good thinker might be a bad multitabler and vice versa.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:13pm

euroglot wrote:
Please people agree with me that the K2 shove on the KTTT2 is extremely terrible and he should of course call, that was the only major mistake i saw. Apart from that i liked it and i like ur style. Minraising 100% from the button, nice. Is that really EV+ for all the hands in ur button opening range?

Mod Edit: Please keep it constructive and respectful.

It is indeed terrible, I just brainfarted from being tired/talking a lot.

And as far as minraising 100%... it depends greatly on your opponents in the blinds. Against people who aren't defending enough it even becomes +EV just by stealing the pot often enough preflop. If you're against tougher competition though you might lose too much postflop with your very worse holdings, especially those with a lot of reverse implied odds (dominated hands).
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:14pm

Can't reply to every comment, but thanks for the positive ones guys, always appreciated :)
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:21pm

WeLostAlpha wrote:
-30.5 minutes in you flat A9o to a button raise and ch/c a 223ddx flop. When you donked the river you said you thought he'd be betting AJo and ATo on the flop which are technical mistakes. Can you elaborate on why betting AJo is a mistake on that flop? You don't think there is value to be gained from worse ace highs (i.e. your hand) calling your flop bet?

If it is very well controlled, i.e. balanced with the rest of your range and done with the purpose of going for value against worse A-high while avoiding mistakes on later streets, yes betting AT and AJ can be optimal in that situation.

However, I often see people betting those kind of situations without a real purpose in head... they're mostly betting just to win the pot quickly (even though they might not admit it). This can lead to having problems playing later streets, like folding too much when ahead or calling too much when behind and facing a bet.

But I agree that if you have a very good info on your opponent's playback range (call + check-raise) and you feel that you get enough value from the weaker A-high + you will take the right decision when he check-raises, betting becomes excellent.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:30pm

d0zer1 wrote:
very good video in general, however i think you made a few big mistakes : AQ jam HU vs innerpsy on AK388 bdfd miss - I think it's a mistake to begin with, but especially big one vs that specific opponent (you said earlier in the video how he is a bit scared of you and likely to play straightforward etc.), you're NEVER getting called by worse so you're shoving into what is splits and rarely better hands (id expect him to never fold Ax given K splits Ax unless u have it beat), the fact that he happened to have A8 is kind of irrelevant as we would have lost the stack c/cing anyway but i think c/cing so that he can have his rare bluff (usually heart+heart flop gutters and maybe just naked ones if he ever gets fancy). Despite the probability of it happening being low, I think its still higher than you getting a call from Kx or something - a probability of which I'd feel safe to say is 0% vs him. another one was the K2 river 3b in the end, villain is a fish so he has either Kx/Tx/super-rare AA or air, you're not getting any value by 3b and are basically just putting money in behind or he is folding. welostalpha - i believe the point of that hand was that when you are cbetting AJ there you have to actually be able to capitalize on the fact that giggy might c/c worse Ax (but you clearly dont when you are going to fold the better hand during the next 2 streets as was the case) i think its a pretty big leak of people to put money in with marginal value only to get bluffed on later during the hand

I agree that the AQ spot is extremely close and I like your analysis. However, I'm really unsure as to wether my opponent is even going to try to bluff me on this board if I check. So check-calling might not be good as well. I believed that shoving was the better option just because I felt he might fold some splits from time to time (especially given how big of a part it plays in his range).

I just though that betting really small might be the best option though... something like 80 in 400 is pretty much assured to receive pissed off calls from Kx, and I think I can fold to a shove pretty easily, as I could very well have AA, AK there and people (including innerpsy) usually don't bluff someone who could have the nuts. So bet-small/fold might be the best line, as shoving isn't that good for the reasons you've stated + I don't like check-calling either because I'm not even sure he's bluffing if he somehow got there with shit.

And I agree that the K2 hand was a mistake, pure brainfart.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:33pm

d0zer1 wrote:
sorry about no paragraphs earlier and I just recalled one more hand - don't you think when nikolas or whatever his name was opens CO, fish flats in SB and you are in BB w KTo, that squuezing to get it HU with the fish would be a preferred play given how poorly he is likely to play and that KTo doesnt play all that well multiway with not good position ? (I think usually squuezing here with most of the hands other than like small pocket pairs would be the better play?)

I don't remember the hand, but this usually depends on the fish (and the reg) preflop stats... I'm usually well ahead of a fish's range with KTo here, and I prefer 3-betting much stronger and weaker hands in that situation, especially if the fish is folding a good %.

It's basically the basic principle that you want to be polarized with your 3-betting squeezing range, keeping the good enough hands to call and everything just below to 3-bet as a bluff. It's adapted to the fish's range, I feel like my KT is good enough to call but I would gladly squeeze something like K7o.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:43pm

ghetifal wrote:
Giggy please make videos more often, you make some of the best 6max NL videos anywhere on the web right now.

12:50, you say betting the T55r with A high was a bad play because he didn't continue betting on the turn. What if he bets planning on getting called by pocket pairs and ace high with the intention of betting again on any turn 9+? Is that still bad if he has turns in mind that he gives up on and some that he continues or should he either take his ace high equity always or else barrel majority of turns and maybe rivers?

51:30 you say that 3-betting KQo against you is not good because it is in terrible shape against your 4-bet calling range, but it seems like you open 100% of buttons and usually respond to a 3-bet by calling or folding. If you are not 4-betting often, couldn't this be a 3 bet for value since I assume you are calling with KJ, QJ, K9s+, Q9s+ as well as a bunch of other suited hands? I thought against a player who is usually responding to 3-bet by calling or folding, it is good to depolarize your 3-bet range. He still probably shouldn't 3-bet it every time, and it might be a situation where you don't plan on getting 4 bet often, so when you do, you can just muck it. However, I ran the equity of it against 99+ and AQo+ and it is only 1% worse equity than a hand like 76s (although a hand like 44 does better than both). With its blockers, it doesn't seem like it can be a HUGE mistake even if it is one against your 4-betting range.

The recap of key concepts over the last 7 minutes is just pure gold. Even if its stuff that's been said before, it is so crucial to be reminded of the importance of dynamic, exploitative play to have a crushing winrate like you do.

12:50... I still don't like the play, because it isn't a sure thing that I would fold anything that I've called with on the flop on the 9+ turns. Against someone very predictable who just folds a lot of turns in this situation it might be good, but against someone more balanced like me, who could decide to basically check-call 3 streets with T8 or TT or AQ or 66, I much prefer just hoping that A9 high is good and try to take it to showdown.

51:30... I haven't 4-bet a lot in this video indeed but it's probably a question of not having the right hands/occasions. I do have a 4bet bluffing range, especially against someone who's 3betting too much. And the other problem with 3-betting KQo against let's say a 100% open range (and a good, balanced playback range), is that he would make me fold a ton of Kx Qx that he has dominated and can take advantage of postflop in single raised pots.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:50pm

ElTorreroRubio wrote:
Giggy,

You mention in the video how 3betting KQo from SB is going to be a mistake vs pretty much anyone. Could you please elaborate a little bit on this?

Let's just say folding is out of the question, which leaves us with flat calling and 3betting as options. My standard against a vast majority of people is to 3b the hand, my reasoning being that the reverse domintaion risk is minimal and the only hand the villain may have in his flatcalling range that dominates me is AQ, allowing that they don't 4b the hand. Most of the time we will miss the flop and it's much easier to win the pot if you have the initiative, which is gained by 3b the hand in the first place.

I just can't see how flatcalling is a beeter option, so if you could drop some knowledge I'd be very grateful.

Edit: assuming 100bb stacks and the villain is not a huge 4betor

KQo is too valuable to 3bet (and not valuable enough to go broke). You are dominating every Kx and Qx that would fold to a 3bet and can get lots of value from when you both flop top pair. You pretty much always flop at least 2 overcards, usually with some kind of backdoor and have a great check-raise flop spot.

The problem with your overall strategy if you're 3-betting KQo from the small blind is probably that you don't 3bet enough bluffs, hands like A3o or J9o or K5s, etc. When you start 3-bet bluffing all those hands as a bluff (as you should do against a very wide preflop opener), you don't want to add KQo to that range as it will make it too big and easily exploitable. KQo has enough value postflop in a single raised pot not to be used as a "bluff" 3-betting hand.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 2:58pm

StuZero wrote:
35:47 You are talking about your reads and reasons for 3betting the flop with ATo on the Kd6c9s board basically that there were a lot of GS which your opponent would Raise and then fold to a reraise and few hands he value raises. Is your decision to 3bet here largely to being OOP? If we modified the hand so that you were IP with the same hand vs a guy who CR the same range would you elect to call that CR (as a value call) or would you still raise here? Are there any factors that would lead you to calling IP / OOP against a guy with either a rising or CR range thats largely weak draws when you can identify which chunk of the board hits these draws? Thanks

Very good question.

My 3-betting the flop is indeed based on the fact that I'm oop, and that there is a ton of turns that I don't want to see/won't know how to react on/lose the hand on. Being oop means that if my opponent decides to give up the turn I give him 2 free cards too.

When in position you will have the info of what your opponent does before getting to act, so you'll be able to even to use your ATo as a bluff if you read that your opponent hit a medium pair or something like that. So you pretty much always want to call in position in a similar situation, because playing in position for the next streets equals to a lot of value.

I would pretty much always call, even oop, if my opponent is someone absurdly agressive. If I feel that my opponent will continue betting pretty much all of his bluffs on the turn, I'm giving up too much A-high value by reraising the flop. In those instances, a call-down strategy becomes obviously best becaue you get tons of value from bluffs, which is not true in that situation because I felt like my opponent would only rarely keep betting the turn with air.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 4:55pm

maryhadalamb wrote:
Please explain your turn sizing at 52.27, I'd probably go for something more like 130

This is purely a balance thing, I've played a lot of hands against innerpsy and I want to be able to size my bluffs to the same amount in that situation.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 4:58pm

beextoo wrote:

good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo

I'm not sure in which way you think the play is bad? Would you rather advocate checking the flop or try to get it in?
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18 Nov 2011 at 4:58pm

luckydhaliwal wrote:
Giggy, great video as usual. I couldn't help but notice that you were playing on a mac. How are you getting poker tracker running on it. Are you running a virtual machine. Thanks

Poker Tracker 3 has a mac version, you just can't run Hold'em Manager.
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18 Nov 2011 at 5:05pm

Guenni wrote:
"good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo " same here. pretty much half the deck is a bad card for us... would be nice to hear the explanation on that hand (aroudn 39min bottom left) really really good video. i hope none of the midstakes grinders are watching this video b/c the leaks you pointed out are by far the biggest leaks people have at these stakes.

I'm c-betting because I want to get value, and I'm calling the raise because my opponent has a big enough bluff raise % in that situation so that I'm well ahead of his range. Reraising could be an option although I don't like it, as you make him fold pretty much all of his bluffs from which you could get value later.

I don't like shoving also because I don't think he's ever raising to go broke with worse for value.
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 5:14pm

SexyHero wrote:
in the K3 hand against o-omx trip overbet turn , you dont think by overbetting turn you let him fold way more easy (plus facilement ) than with a standard bet? , i mean ok he is be a hero but he is a reg not a random fish, and he know you are good/reg standard, I thaink he is going to call / make move more often with standard sizingbet here just think he is more able to be a hero vs standard play than vs an overbet Not sure if iam right , but apreciate any argument here and if he is be a hero , once he call you turn do you think he is going to fold a lot vs overbet ship river? Thank you a lot for the video martin always a real pleasure, Feel free post more content/video ! I think you can do for a nextvideo, just make two podcast , one more technical strategy of the game , and later the other more mental , Jsut speak about what ever sub-subject, everythink you say is almost always interesting , I think if you take time to right on paper you can do really really good stuff this way If BFP dont let you make podcast (not a lot of sense but ok) play one table no more nl5k :P Thank you

The overbet with K3 there is kind of part of a rock-paper-scissors game I'm imposing on my opponent. On boards where it's highly unlikely that my opponent has more than 1 pair on the turn, (that board isn't the best example, I'd prefer boards like 356ss J) I'll overbet a good amount of bluffs and a good amount of value and will let him guess. If I think he's going to fold too often I'll do it as a bluff a lot, if it's the contrary I'll do it for value a lot. Here, for some reasons, I thought he had a good chance of hero calling me a couple of times, so I adjusted my sizing to that. It has not worked, but from that point on I can start testing him again with bluffs in that situation, see how he reacts and adjust accordingly.

And I'll think about the podcast idea, I could try and organize my thoughts on paper. Thanks.
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Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 6:01pm

Hey Giggy

Thanks for taking the time to answer my question, and everyone else's, so thoroughly. I have learned a great deal from reading through your responses.

Thank you very much.
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Re: 00:15:51

18 Nov 2011 at 8:35pm

mrazish wrote:
Sry, what did you say on 00:15:51? "I just think he thinks I’m gonna WHAT"? Didn't get it and the whole thing got messed up for me. Could you please tell me what word was that or what does it mean. Thx a bunch)

"I just think he thinks I'm gonna spazz"

Spazz = fuck up, brainfart
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Re: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail

18 Nov 2011 at 8:42pm

GabeTheKid wrote:

I'm new to BFP, so I'm curious if Giggy actually answers questions in the comment section? ---- I'll post a couple comments/questions that I can think off right now. 1) About c-betting AJ or AQ on 226r boards being a common leak in regs. Do you mean when we're IP? or when we're OOP you think c/c>bet also? I can agree with you about being IP (ie. we raise BTN wAJ and BB calls, flop 226r) but if we raise MP and BTN calls, don't you think betting (even if we're just b/f here) is more profitable than c/guessing? Betting gives us the immediate FE. It gives us opportunities to barrel the turn and get small-mid PPs to fold while gaining some value from them on the flop. C/guessing makes it so that our opponent will not be making too many mistakes vs. us. He will be able to read our hand much more easily (I assume you're not too balanced here as I expect you to cbet QQ+ on that board; perhaps once in a while you'll do this with 6x or 22 or 66 but overall your range is weighted very heavily to A-high and being OOP gives our opponent a huge edge). Is my thinking flawed or maybe I misunderstood you? ----------- Another thing is I don't really agree (perhaps yet) about the KQ being a bad 3-bet in the SB. Could you elaborate on that? I think it's a great hand to 3-bet with if your opponent is not 4-bet happy. It has good card-removal properties. AK will 4-bet us preflop so we aren't worried about being dominated on K high boards when he flats our 3-bet. AQ flatting us is the biggest (and only?) downside really. But if we just flat the original pfr, then it creates a lot of disadvantages. It's going to be hard to win a lot of pots postflop. We're going to be forced to fold on 337, A72r type boards a lot and he'll pwn us with 9To or other air a ton of the time. We will win some small-medium sized pots on Q and K high boards, yes. There are many other factors I can mention but this post is getting quite long as it is and I think I made my points. Curious as to what your thoughts are about my thoughts? Thanks and very nice vid.

1) I agree that it makes a great deal of difference between being ip and oop in this situation... and I agree that it's going a big enough deal to change our decision very often. When playing ip you have the luxury to see what your opponent does first and then control the action accordingly, something you can't do oop. I don't say that it becomes an automatic bet oop (other factors such as our opponent's bluffing/calling frequencies, predictability and the preflop exact positions are going to have to be considered), but the situation is not the same because of indeed all the reasons you've explained.

However, if you're playing against someone very predictable, it's usually theoratically best to check/react, especially if your opponent bluffs let's say 100% in that situation.

2) And I've answered about KQ to a couple of guys already, if you're not satisfied with my answers you can ask me to clarify and/or reconsider my position. I'm still convinced that a call is the better play though.

edit after reading your 2nd post :

If you're up against a true 4-bet monkey (let's say over 20%), I actually believe it becomes better to 3-bet the KQo and call the 4bet, given how far ahead of your opponent's range you're going to be. Although this is much more close/debatable

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