Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review

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Dated:
Aug 18th, 2011
By:
Martin Fournier Giguère
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Mid Stakes
Teaching Method:
Replayed Hands
Language:
English
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Giggy reviews interesting hands and results from his HU match vs. Takechip.  To reference the hands, please watch: http://www.bluefirepoker.com/videos/giggy-hu-vs-takechip/

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  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    19 Aug 2011 at 1:19am
    Discussion for Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review.
  • manu1337 manu1337 Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    19 Aug 2011 at 3:17am
    15:40: "hahahah" lol :D
  • SchFerreira SchFerreira Poker Newbie
    21 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    19 Aug 2011 at 11:40am
    "You could have Deus Ex... not the video game, the hand"
  • iggyping iggyping Poker Trainee
    66 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    19 Aug 2011 at 1:12pm

    Would it be a good adjustment to start flatting lots of big hands vs him, or do you miss out on too much value by not 3-betting them? (if he wants to overbet every turn I'd be happier having OP's :P)

  • xxspaldingxx xxspaldingxx Poker Newbie
    10 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    20 Aug 2011 at 11:10am
    88 @ 35:00 you open 88, call 3bet, call 652r, call Tb, checked to you on Ao in your analysis (look up how its pronounced please) you say you think he vbets very thin, down to, I quote, "every Tx". Now if that's true, how do you not value bet?? its not turning it into a bluff obv as you said initially, there is value, as you are not behind after he checks.
  • Socratitties Socratitties Poker Newbie
    32 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    21 Aug 2011 at 12:02am
    Replayer videos are so valuable. This was a fantastic analysis and hope you keep making more videos soon. We need more high stakes NLHE content. Thanks.
  • SexyHero SexyHero Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    21 Aug 2011 at 9:34am
    The hand KhTh , if he shove turn ? what you do? nice vid martin , make more please! thank you
  • yummygummy yummygummy Poker Trainee
    41 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    21 Aug 2011 at 6:21pm
    In the 66 hand on the board of 8T5KK, what do you think about raising the river? He's value betting so thinly and I think you can rep a lot of kings that just called the turn.
  • Abu555 Abu555 Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    24 Aug 2011 at 9:32am

    You've pointed out that you should C/R Q9 on a 292 board in a agressive match so whats your logic behind c/c your KJ on Kxx two clubs instaed of C/R it for value also?

  • madboy madboy Poker Newbie
    34 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    30 Aug 2011 at 12:38pm

    Great that you are back^^ - that was for me in fact the reason to renew my subscription:)

     

    Here is my feedback:

    Min. 11 – 43s:

    I also rly like the play of your buddy here to turn here weak SD_Value into a bluff (what cannot rly call anymore) vs. a range which has many potential aircombos in his range and will bluff this turn in basically a 100%-frequency. You said that he had 52o w/o a spade inside. Do you think it would be better to at least have a 2s inside to have some rest-equity (when got called) vs. maybe some parts of your range?

    Or is this aspect here so marginal that you thing it does not rly matter longterm? Although in this way (bluffing with at least a little EQ and letting it go with 0 EQ) he could control his frequencies here. (although this is HU likely not so important when you are not playing a lot vs each other…)

    I also agree with you 100% that vs. a good opponent (with solid frequencies) you have OOP a real problem with a hand like your mentioned AT (w/o the FD). I couldn`t be too bad to just fold such a holding on the turn vs. his Raise? What would be your reaction on the turn with such a hand?

    Min. 22.45 – KJo:

    You said that you would pretty often C/R or lead on the flop with a NutFD. I understand of course the C/Raise-Line,

    but @ leading: I also use a leadingstrategy with with my range in many spots. But I only do it on boards where I connect in relative terms better and hence Villains will not cbet a lot. This is certainly mostly not true on K/Ace-high-Boards. Because of this I would always start on this board with my whole range with a check on the flop. Do you rly also have a leadingstrategy on such boards as part of your gameplan?

    Min. 36.45 – 88: What you think is the best play for him, if he would have a hand like 99 on A6s in his range on the river?

    Min. 46.37 – 66: I am rly not sure about your checkback on the flop. I see that you wanna cbet more polarized vs. an aggr. good opponent who is C/Ring frequently. But imo is this hand vs. his range way too weak and vulnerable to have it in your checkback-range. I mean, with this hand I would not mind too much when my cbet would get C/Raised and I would have to fold…

    Last hand – AQo: Maybe you could make here a guess on his Bluffingfreq. On the turn by taking the previous history into account where you made this herocall on the river with 66 in the hand before. Most ppl will then probably think that their bluffingmomentum is worse atm b/c they have got cought up in a previous hand and will therefore decrease their Bluffing-freq. pretty often. That could make me lean in game towards folding here on the turn.

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    1 Oct 2011 at 7:58pm

    iggyping wrote:

    Would it be a good adjustment to start flatting lots of big hands vs him, or do you miss out on too much value by not 3-betting them? (if he wants to overbet every turn I'd be happier having OP's :P)

    I'm missing out on too much value, just because I'm 3-betting too many bluffs as well. All the bluffs I 3-bet allow me to get max value by 3-betting all my good hands.

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    1 Oct 2011 at 8:00pm

    xxspaldingxx wrote:

    88 @ 35:00 you open 88, call 3bet, call 652r, call Tb, checked to you on Ao in your analysis (look up how its pronounced please) you say you think he vbets very thin, down to, I quote, "every Tx". Now if that's true, how do you not value bet?? its not turning it into a bluff obv as you said initially, there is value, as you are not behind after he checks.

    Because he is not calling with worse. It's not because you're ahead of somebody's range on the river that you have to bet, far from that. In order for your bet to be profitable you need to evaluate the hands he will call with... here he's always calling if he somehow gets there with a better hand, and very rarely calls if he gets there with worse.

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    1 Oct 2011 at 8:02pm

    SexyHero wrote:

    The hand KhTh , if he shove turn ? what you do? nice vid martin , make more please! thank you

    Hmmm I don't remember the exact hand, but it's a simple maths question, I would just have to calculate my odds to hit as I'm pretty much always behind.

    In that type of situations you ideally want to take the decision before putting in your turn bet, wether committing yourself or not, depending on what you think is optimal for the situation.

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    1 Oct 2011 at 8:07pm

    yummygummy wrote:

    In the 66 hand on the board of 8T5KK, what do you think about raising the river? He's value betting so thinly and I think you can rep a lot of kings that just called the turn.

    Couple of problems with the raise :

    1. There are a lot of draws that missed, he could put me on one of them and call pretty light if I don't raise big enough, But if I raise big enough, I risk too much given that he's never folding any Kx.

    2. I never have a fullhouse, but he does. This means I open the door for a reshove bluff (or value), putting me in a spot in which I might end up losing a bigger pot that would've been mine with only a call. Would be disastrous.

     

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    1 Oct 2011 at 8:25pm

    madboy wrote:

    Great that you are back^^ - that was for me in fact the reason to renew my subscription:)

     

    Here is my feedback:

    Min. 11 – 43s:

    I also rly like the play of your buddy here to turn here weak SD_Value into a bluff (what cannot rly call anymore) vs. a range which has many potential aircombos in his range and will bluff this turn in basically a 100%-frequency. You said that he had 52o w/o a spade inside. Do you think it would be better to at least have a 2s inside to have some rest-equity (when got called) vs. maybe some parts of your range?

    Or is this aspect here so marginal that you thing it does not rly matter longterm? Although in this way (bluffing with at least a little EQ and letting it go with 0 EQ) he could control his frequencies here. (although this is HU likely not so important when you are not playing a lot vs each other…)

    I also agree with you 100% that vs. a good opponent (with solid frequencies) you have OOP a real problem with a hand like your mentioned AT (w/o the FD). I couldn`t be too bad to just fold such a holding on the turn vs. his Raise? What would be your reaction on the turn with such a hand?

    Min. 22.45 – KJo:

    You said that you would pretty often C/R or lead on the flop with a NutFD. I understand of course the C/Raise-Line,

    but @ leading: I also use a leadingstrategy with with my range in many spots. But I only do it on boards where I connect in relative terms better and hence Villains will not cbet a lot. This is certainly mostly not true on K/Ace-high-Boards. Because of this I would always start on this board with my whole range with a check on the flop. Do you rly also have a leadingstrategy on such boards as part of your gameplan?

    Min. 36.45 – 88: What you think is the best play for him, if he would have a hand like 99 on A6s in his range on the river?

    Min. 46.37 – 66: I am rly not sure about your checkback on the flop. I see that you wanna cbet more polarized vs. an aggr. good opponent who is C/Ring frequently. But imo is this hand vs. his range way too weak and vulnerable to have it in your checkback-range. I mean, with this hand I would not mind too much when my cbet would get C/Raised and I would have to fold…

    Last hand – AQo: Maybe you could make here a guess on his Bluffingfreq. On the turn by taking the previous history into account where you made this herocall on the river with 66 in the hand before. Most ppl will then probably think that their bluffingmomentum is worse atm b/c they have got cought up in a previous hand and will therefore decrease their Bluffing-freq. pretty often. That could make me lean in game towards folding here on the turn.

    43s- Yes it would obv be better to have the 2s in that spot, but it doesn't mean that doing it without the 2s isn't +EV. Having the redraw here is only a small part of the equation, and he rightfully treated the rest of the information regarding the hand, in order to commit to his bluff anyway. Controlling his frequencies here is kind of overrated without too much historic, because we're talking about the frequency of a turn-raise on a very particular board. I won't happen much again.

    And about AT, that would obv depend on the exact frequencies and tendencies of my particular opponent, given the dynamic that is going on at the moment. All I have with AT is a bluffcatcher, it is to me to try and analyze wether this is a bluff often enough or not. I don't remember the details of the game clearly enough to answer on what I would've done at the time.

     

    KJo- Once again it's going to depend. It might not be part of my initial strategy in a HU match, but I might decide to try and do it a couple of times (with value and/or bluffs) to see how my opponent reacts to that. If I discover that he's folding too much, I could start leading lots of air that would otherwise just check-fold. If I see that he's raising/playing back too much, I'll unbalance my range in order to include lots of value or big draws... that way I'll have maximum value from his air.

    Your strategy must change and evolve according to the reads that you're acquiring. I didn't do it that time because I think takechip will be balanced enough on his playbacks that it becomes a mistake for me to lead here. But it doesn't mean I would never do it against anyone.

     

    88- I'm not exactly sure about this one, but I have a feeling that he should basically shove 100% of his range on that river vs me. Given his 3-bet range preflop, he's probably naturally balanced and puts most of my range in a very tough spot. So I would prob. shove both, but he apparently had another balancing strategy for that spot.

     

    66- C-betting and folding to a check-raise on this board against takechip is a mistake. He's check-raising too many bluffs for that to be my most profitable option. Checking back might put me in tough spots later in the hand, but it still is way more profitable than bet-folding the flop against his range.

     

    AQo- I would probably agree to your statement against most opponents, but we have way too much knowledge of each other and history between us for him to simply think that way. I still think his bluffing frequencies against me are a bit higher than against most people, even after I called him with 66 a couple of hands before. Knowing him well, it takes much worse to affect his concentration and momentum.

    Although like I said I understand and agree with your previous statement.

  • madboy madboy Poker Newbie
    34 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    3 Oct 2011 at 9:04pm

    Hey,

    thank you a lot for all your answers:)

  • xxspaldingxx xxspaldingxx Poker Newbie
    10 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    17 Nov 2011 at 2:00pm

    thanks for replying to everything

     

    I will have to say though that you should take some course in GT, maybe from me, cause what you wrote is wrong. value betting depends solely on how often you are ahead in a gt framework.

  • cardshark cardshark Poker Newbie
    19 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    2 Feb 2012 at 2:32pm
    at 36 min of the video you said he should jam his 3 4 all in. So your saying a player would hero call with one pair there? he 3 b pre and your only calling flop and turn. Its not really showing a lot of strength that your going to call an all in on the river. So your saying like a half pot bet isn't good here just jamming is better? i would of personally done like a small bet on the river like 1/4th pot like im value betting kk scared of the ace and giving you a chance to come over the top to rep the ace on the river. I don't understand a jam when there just calling 2 streets and probably folding the river based on there passiveness. So are you saying when he jams the river the line looks so weird that it looks like a bluff when hes jamming and a lot of people will call with one pair? I just dont see how 3 betting and barrelling 3 times looks like a bluff there where someone would hero call a jam on the river. I like how you explain your videos by the way much easier to understand then galfonds haha. You stick with the topic your talking about so I can follow along =)
  • cardshark cardshark Poker Newbie
    19 Posts
    Re: Giggy HU vs. Takechip HH Review
    2 Feb 2012 at 3:03pm
    do you think the over bet on turn at 45 min of video is a good sizing. i see he bet 222 the lower end type number. Where i see a lot of guys bluffing will use 299 or 199 to make the chips looks bigger on the table. usually when people use the lower numbers they want calls from there stronger hands. Do you think that has a difference into making the bet look even stronger using low numbers on a bluff? Or does that not really factor into bet sizing. I thought him betting 222 i thought usign the low numbers made it look like he was going for value but maybe thats going into to much thinking looking at how they make there bet look by using bigger or smaller numbers.

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