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Have you considered here to go on the river for value to rep a bluff?
Or have you been worrying that giggy would have been in SBvsBigB usually 4bet/Calling hands lile 99/TT and hence his flop C/Callrange is often someting like AJ,AQ... -> too often to bet on the river very thin for value?
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Definitely great vid and imo much valueable content inside - thank you very much for it
Here is some feedback + question:
Min. 9.50 – K3o:
Would you also 3barellbluff here against a more solid player (stats-wise)? I mean, I see in a Villain`s C/Callrange on this flop some Ax-hands + a solid player will know that you have b/c of the turncard now some reasonable bluffcombos in your range (KQ, BDFDs, T9, 98…) + in addition to this you will often use this turncard as a scarecard which could increase your bluffingfrequency… I mean, b/c you also will val.bet here probably thin enough here vs. a REG (which hand would be your worst valuehand here on the turn+river, btw.?), it can`t be too bad vs. a REG, But then I would prefer it to make it only with some EQ to assure myself to not overdo it in such a spot… Btw., vs. this seemingly weaker player, I strongly would consider on the river a slightly overbet b/c from my experience weaker players are giving overbets much credit (probably b/c they only could imagine themselves to use a slightly overbet for Value) and hence he would fold then his Jx-hands imo rly most of the time than vs. a normal big bet. What you think on this?
Min. 14 – KJo: Like for sure the donkbet on such a board in this spot. What you personally think on the turn about a C/R? His flopcallrange is 9x, TT, some weaker Jx-hands and imo some draws. So it is most of the time capped -> against capped ranges it can be often decent to use such spots to include a somewhat balanced C/R-strategy. What you think? Or is here in your opinion the danger too high that Villain would checkback on the turn his 2ndPairs…? Btw., Would you donk/Jam here or D/3bet/C here with your whole range? If you wanna have here a D/3bet/Fold-range, then of course the latter one is our line – I am just not sure if it is in such a spot in general good to include here a D/3bet/Fold-Range….
Min. 35 – KJs: Have your prerflop rly opencompleted or did I mislook this one?
Min. 46 – QJs: Any merits in checking here the river? Reason: On this board you have after C/Call flop less pure air in your range -> hence you would have to turn a weak hand into a bluff if you bet here so that villain can call lighter -> hence imo you will not get called in this special spot too often from worse if Villain is somewhat thinking . By checking you could give him the opportunity to bluff or also to turn on this rivercard his more marginal SD-Value into a bluff…
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Hey!
Was a pretty fun session for sure, and you do have some really good aggressiveness in your game. About the ATdd donklead, I think this is a great example of the kind of hand that people just forget to think about the hand/opponent's range/postflop plan/etc. and just check well because they are "supposed to".
So many players limit themselves so much in their options, and they forget that you can basically do anything you want at any time and bet any amount you want too. A player who's never donkleading and always betting 2/3 of the pot or so is very often a big sign of someone who's just running on some tricks he has learned, and who just forgets to think about the game of poker.
Morale of the story : try new stuff, it'll make you (or anyone else, not targetting anyone) a better player/a tougher player to play against and you'll understand things about many other spots in the process as well.
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K3o : it is definitely going to depend on the specific player... but it is a far less exciting 3-barrel spot against a good thinking plyaer. Because first like you said there will be a lot of A high in a lot of players range on the flop, + it's the type of spot I'm normally supposed to be bluffing a lot + there are a lot of A high that I'm just checking back on the flop as well. So all in all it is pretty much a hopeless 3-barrel against a lot of players, and I'm definitely going to give up a lot against a certain type of players.
Here I felt like the player wasn't good enough to read the situation correctly, and maybe like you said I could've gone with the overbet to make him fold his Jx. Only problem though is that he could have some Ax and he's never folding those, and I felt like I did not need to overbet to make him fold Jx. I was wrong unfortunately, but with the info I had at that moment I like my play.
KJo : Hmmm I don't hate the idea of a check-raise, but I definitely feel like it would make me look hyper strong in that spot. But since he's going to have a whole lot of gutters naked straight draws after calling that flop, it might actually still be the best way to get value, + I could incorporate some bluffs in there as well (I think mostly very weak draws or air would do just fine, as I don't expect him to do anything weird on the turn if I go with the check-raise). The problem is that I feel like if I decide to take that line without the J he's going to show up with a J pretty often himself after betting the turn, rendering my play hopeless. And yeah I feel like he's not betting something like 9x that often on the turn either.
So the more I think about it, the less I like the C/R strategy... maybe C/C and C/reevaluate river might be better, as it would definitely allow him to fire twice with a lot of weak hands/draws he called the flop with.
And yes, I'm going to have a donklead/3-bet/fold range here against most players, mainly guys that I know like to attack the donkleads with air raises (pretty typical for a lot of players). I don't think a donklead/jam range accomplishes anything more than the donklead/3bet/reevaluate, and you just cut yourself options by doing that. I definitely prefer not jamming.
KJs : no the button limped, but I still might have raised preflop for value. But it wasn't an opencomplete, don't worry ;)
QJs : Yeah looking back on it maybe a check was better, I did that because I felt like he was going to have a lot of marginal showdown hands and maybe some 2pairs in his range that he might call with, but given the flop texture like you said I so don't have air often that I'm not even sure he's calling with those. I don't always have the straight when I do that though, as I could be turning something like 77 or A8 into a bluff, but still like you said I think the likeliness of him trying to turn something into a bluff is better than the likeliness of me being called there, check was probably a bit better.
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I don't remember villain, and since I have only 4 hands against him on the HUD I'll assume that there was absolutely no historic yet...
So without any read and any historic I'd probably be going with a raise yes. As soon as mutual reads get in the way, it becomes a question of having some kind of possible bluffs here so that he can't make big hero folds too easily. And this is not a spot where I think I'm ever bluffing, so I might like to keep flatting, especially against someone aggressive who's likely to be bluffing on multiple streets here, especially with all the possible draws that he could have catched on the turn.
One small but important nuance though : when I talk about being balanced here and to have the ability to turn over some bluffs after a turn raise so that it doesn't get exploited... this is not 100% true. All you need is for your opponent to THINK that you could be bluffing in those kind of spots, you don't actually need to be really capable of bluffing. So yeah, if the player is a thinking one and I think that he THINKS that this is a spot I could be bluff-raising or raising for weakish value, yeah I'll raise the turn most likely.
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@drgiggy:
Just wanted to say shortly thank you for all your helpful answers to my questions;)