Fite Reviews A $15 180man: Thinking Deep and Taking Advantage

Hey Bfizz, a very long and instructive video! I agree slightly or mostly with everything you said, except for one part at 42:30 that I completely disagree with, and here is why:

I want to preface by saying against a fish this is somewhat more of a good play, but against regs it is pretty bad.

You said that you should flat instead of 3-bet or shove against a min-raise with jacks. First I would like to say that a Q/K/A comes on the flop 44.7% of the time, and if the villain has one of the broadway combinations, you can almost assuredly say they will shut down unless they hit due to the fact that by flatting your hand looks extremely strong. If I am ever getting flatted in a turbo by a reg I will almost instantly put them on Aces or Kings. Which, in turn could work to your advantage in some way, but is besides the point, and since you have Jacks you don't really have a reason to try and rep a bigger hand.

Basically what I am trying to say is that when you see a flop, you are never getting it in on the flop ahead, and against a reg he is about 99% of the time check/folding when he has air against another reg taking the line you suggested. When he does c-bet when an over card hits, you are in a huge guessing game, and most of the time will be drawing to two outs. I think by flatting you are just asking to put yourself in an extremely difficult spot.

I am going to go over the scenarios and what I think likely out-comes are, I am going to exclude the small 3-bet like what Kthegreat did because I think that was the worst option and never gets action by worse.

So you flat, one of the blinds push, and the cut-off either re-raises all-in or folds. If he folds, you call and are about 70% of the time in a flip, 15% of the time 80-20, and 15% of the time 20-80 (more or less). If I am a reg in a bigblind with 10 blinds after that action I am probably only shoving with A/Q+ 8/8+ because you look strong as fuck, and maybe even finding a fold with those hands.

If the cut off goes all-in after this action, I seriously think it is going to be 75% of time a coin flip vs A/K, and a 20-80 against Q/Q+ the other 25% . If I am a reg after this action I can find a fold with A/10-A/Q easily, and probably a fold with 10's.

Now the second scenario is you flatting and the blinds folding to see a flop. I literally can not think of a situation where you get more money out of a thinking reg. As I already said, if I were a reg in this situation getting flatted by another aggressive reg, I would actually put them on stronger than jacks. If I had A/Q I would be hesitant to put the money in on a Q-high board, but probably would anyways because I am stubborn like that. So as I said before I only think he is putting the money in when he hits a high-card hand. I don't think he is calling you off on an 8-high board with 8/9 here. I wouldn't be surprised if a reg check-folded.

Furthermore what if the flop comes A-high and he c-bets into you? Like I said, you are just asking to be put into a really tricky situation by flatting here with jacks. Say the flop comes A-high and he checks, do we bet now? Do we check to get to show down? What if there are two over cards and he check calls? It is just making it very difficult for you to play the hand by flatting, and you are saving yourself a lot of head aches by not doing this play.

Then we have the pushing situations. I think your range for pushing over a min-raise apparent steal is a lot wider then when you flat in this situation, and I would not be surprised to see you get called by 8/8+ A/J+ here, and probably closer to 6/6+ A/10+ from the shorty blinds if they know you are both regs. That might be a bit loose, but I still think it accomplishes more than flatting.

So by flatting we are getting more money in most of the time almost only by hands that we are beat by or flipping against, and still winning the same amount as if we pushed and he folded when we do have the best hand.

Flatting spots are few and far between in turbos, and I really don't ever see a situation where it could be profitable unless you are both 30+ bbs deep by some miracle, and you have a pre-flop playing edge over your opponent. Most of the time however that is not the case, as that is why most of the regs play turbos IMO because it is more based on math, and less about the many dynamics of actual post-flop play.

Anyways, looking forward to your retort, and try and get some MTT reviews if possible! Your MTT reviews and playing is really great, and well done. If we send you reviews, do they have to be getting to the final table? I got a good $75 one that I came in 14th that i would like reviewed if possible :).