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Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots

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Dated:
Feb 28th, 2011
By:
Alan Jackson
Game:
NLHE
Stake:
Small Stakes
Teaching Method:
Concept Video
Language:
English
Type:
6 Max
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Alan discusses common 3betting situations!

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  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    1 Mar 2011 at 1:09am
    Discussion for Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots.
  • Justin Justin Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    1 Mar 2011 at 6:45am
    Like the vid, good job. If villain is 4B bluffing alot can we not stop 3B bluffing suited connecters etc and start 3B/5B shoving all pairs and AK ?
  • DonkeyFishFight DonkeyFishFight Poker Newbie
    25 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    1 Mar 2011 at 11:00am
    I really like the concept of this kind of video series, dealing with common spots. Your approach to the game is interesting and the video was informative. It would be great if you continued this series with many different situations, both pre-flop and post-flop. Regards.
  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    1 Mar 2011 at 9:31pm
    Justin, that is a possible defense and if their 4B'ing frequency were high enough I would do exactly that. I find that in my games most of the aggressive 4B'ers don't have a 4B bluff frequency high enough. Depending on bet sizing and stack sizes you need a bit over 50% fold frequency to make a hand like 88 work unless you can make the case for him getting in a worse pp w/ some frequency. Generally vs players who 4B a lot I like to extend my value range to something that is occasionally have them dominated.
  • Keyser Keyser Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    3 Mar 2011 at 1:20am
    When discussing ideal players to target you mentioned that of course are also looking for players who don't 4bet a lot, and you said over a 2000 hand sample you'd want their 4bet to be around 2.0. I've always been confused by the 4bet number in HEM. What does that equal expressed in a percent (maybe a dumb question)? Is it preferable to use 4bet range rather than vs. 3bet raise in your overall tab and/or popup/hud?
  • Keyser Keyser Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    3 Mar 2011 at 1:30am
    You answered my question later, nevermind.
  • Keyser Keyser Poker Newbie
    8 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    4 Mar 2011 at 1:43pm
    I think the 3betting range you lay out for IP vs someone who folds a lot of A2o-A5o, A2s-ATs, and 67s-T9s sounds really good, but I'm wondering how you would end up having a vpip/pfr spread of 6-7%. I've changed my game around recently following a lot of your suggestions (which has been great, btw! thanks) and my spread is like 3%. Are you just flatting all the suited and offsuit broadway combos and pairs?
  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    6 Mar 2011 at 1:59am
    Keyser, while I'm 3B'ing those players a lot, I'll take hands taht other players will 3B and flat-think of a range of hands in which you 3B and are you going to feel uncomfortable facing a 4B-AQ,JJ/TT,KQ. If I'm 3B'ing a good hand and not comfortable getting it all in preflop, I don't 3B. Vs some UTG opponents I'll even flat w/ AK. I'll also flat w/ some frequency the very top end of my range vs players who fold too much, esp if there is someone left to act who has a decent SQ. I also take post flop reads and use that to flat more-players who c/f a lot, players who fold vs raises frequently, players who only fire one bullet. I like it best vs players who don't fold a lot to 3Bs and use the hands I like 3B bluff w/ and flat (along with some suited broadways). Dont stress too much about your spread if you're struggling. I kept a 3 pt spread for a long, long time. It was only when I started fine tuning my game that I started expanding my spread.
  • cookboy cookboy Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    10 Mar 2011 at 10:22pm
    Only about halfway through but very interesting so far. I decided to run my stats and over my last 100k hands at 6max ssnl and I'm running at 5.5 3bet, (def working on ramping that up a bit) but only have a overall 3bet success of 54% which seems really low. My flop cbet success in 3b pots is also really low at 41% with a flop cbet of 68%. What are your thoughts about this? I guess the low 3bet success could be explained by what you said about people set mining, but using that logic shouldn't my cbet in 3b pots be fairly high?
  • cookboy cookboy Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    10 Mar 2011 at 10:34pm
    Edit: actually I guess the overall 3b success isn't that low. I think the main area that I'm concerned about is my flop cbet success, in MP (50%), CO (48%) and BTN (37%). The 37% on the button seems ridiculously low, since I'm going to be in position 100% of the time.
  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    11 Mar 2011 at 1:00am

    cookboy, I consider a 3B success of 50+% to be solid.  Yes, in a general sense, it makes your 3B bluffs unprofitable when just considering pf, however your cards ahve flop value and you have some bluffing value vs most opponents. I feel like a low 50s 3B success is profitably when adding in the flop value of your hand and your ability to bluff some flops.  You MP and CO cbet success rates are fine.  You're doing something like 50-60% of pot?  You don't need high success when you have a small bluff size.  The B cbet success is rather suprising.  What is your double barrel success?  Perhaps your oponents give B 3Bs less respect and thus float more on the flop-if htis is the case then I would expect a highish turn cbet success percent).

  • cookboy cookboy Poker Newbie
    4 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    11 Mar 2011 at 3:01am
    Thanks for the quick response. My standard cbet in a 3b pot is ~1/2 pot. My turn cbet overall is 49% with 62% on the btn, with an overall turn cbet success of 25% and only 22% on the btn. I'm not sure what to make of those numbers. I thought maybe I was giving up on too many turns, but it seems like I'm dbl barreling often enough that people shouldn't be able to just float the flop and get an easy/cheap showdown. Thoughts?
  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    11 Mar 2011 at 4:21am

    Cookboy, pm me a screen shot of your positions tab in HM, I want to make sure i"m understanding you before I offer advice.  Have it show 3B, 3B success, flop and turn cbet and flop and turn cbet success.  Set the filter to Did 3B preflop.  Set the effective stack size to 90+BB (you'll find this in the Main Filters tab in the middle right).  If you can use a bigger sample that would be nice.

  • Odelay Odelay Poker Newbie
    3 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    26 Mar 2011 at 2:55pm
    Hey Alan great video. Is there a guide on how to customise the hold em manager HUD to have the 3bet popup show the positional fold stats and the cbet success rate?
  • GoodBetterBest GoodBetterBest Poker Newbie
    13 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    31 Jul 2011 at 2:06am
    Hi Alan, great video. Player type 1 you categorised as fold to 3B being greater than 60% and 4B below 2%. In relation to player types 2 and 3 would you be able to define the percentage ranges you use to categorise these players? You used the pop up to show examples but it would be great to have a clear % range if this is possible. As examples, for player type 2 should the fold v 3B be below 60% and fold v CB in 3B pot be greater than 50%? For player type 3 should both fold to 3B and fold to CB in 3B pot be under 50%? Thanks in advance.
  • AJackson AJackson Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    417 Posts
    Re: Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    31 Jul 2011 at 9:57am

    GoodBetterBest wrote:

    Hi Alan, great video. Player type 1 you categorised as fold to 3B being greater than 60% and 4B below 2%. In relation to player types 2 and 3 would you be able to define the percentage ranges you use to categorise these players? You used the pop up to show examples but it would be great to have a clear % range if this is possible. As examples, for player type 2 should the fold v 3B be below 60% and fold v CB in 3B pot be greater than 50%? For player type 3 should both fold to 3B and fold to CB in 3B pot be under 50%? Thanks in advance.

    Type 2:  Fold vs 3B under 50 and Fold vs CB in 3B pots over 55

    This isn't a large group of regs, but they are a decent minority and I think it's a profit spot lots of players miss. They don't 3B bluff because they won't get enough folds forgetting that getting lots of folds on the flop is where the real money is at.

    Type 3:  Fold to 3B under 50 and Fold vs CB in 3B pots under 45

    These guys just don't fold so value town them and it's critical to extend your value range.  Last night I stacked two of these guys.  First one w/ KQ where if cbet w/ a gutter and bd fd, turned my Q and he called 3 streets w/ flopped second pair.  Another player I 3B 99 (which I know is outside my video ranges, but I use it as extended value) flop came low, turn J, river paired a flop card.  I fired three barrels and he tanked called w/ floped second pair.

     

    These numbers have a fair amount error margin in them.  You can move all those numbers 5% and still be fine, but for a video I always try to set standards that are solidly profitable.

     

     

  • GoodBetterBest GoodBetterBest Poker Newbie
    13 Posts
    Re: Alan's Common 3-Betting Spots
    31 Jul 2011 at 5:48pm
    Excellent, thanks for the quick resonse Alan. Also really enjoying and getting a lot out of the ATP series.

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