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coolrunnings77
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Post Date: Feb 06, 2010 08:20 PM
 I take weird line and lead river with tpgk, tag raises
 

This reg is pretty snug and very tough. He is a 20/15 but plays me very well. He likes to hero call, doesn't really fold much at all. I dont want to b/3b this texture because if I get raised there is no fe at all. When I c/r Im repping very little and dont expect him to fold top pair. Also he won't cbet this texture light, therefore I decide to go for a c/c crai. It is the most likely line to fold something out and when you play a pot 3-4 handed stacks are perfect for it. I turn a great card and he checks behind. For him to bet the flop and check this turn, I put him on top pair or mid pair. I just dont know if he would check AQ on the turn or keep firing. I assume he would keep firing. I dont think he believes I can ever show up with KQ here, but perhaps Im overthinking this and its a simple fold. I lead the river because I expect that most of the hands which cbet flop and check turn will check behind this river. WTF is he repping, KJ, KT, AQ?


***** Hand History for Game 133015523000050 ***** (Poker Stars)
$1000.00 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Friday, February 05, 11:05:43 ET 2010
Table CakePoker 510 Pro Tables 15523 (Real Money)
Seat 3 is the button
Seat 1: Rive*** ( $985.00 USD )
Seat 2: heez*** ( $1534.00 USD )
Seat 3: ross*** ( $393.00 USD )
Seat 4: what*** ( $1000.00 USD )
Seat 7: littledice ( $1227.50 USD )
Seat 8: RedB*** ( $1000.00 USD )
Seat 9: skib*** ( $417.00 USD )
Seat 10: Mike*** ( $185.00 USD )
ross*** posts small blind
$5.00 USD
.
littledice posts big blind
$10.00 USD
.
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to littledice


skib*** folds
Mike*** folds
Rive*** raises
$30.00 USD

heez*** calls
$30.00 USD

ross*** folds
littledice calls
$20.00 USD

** Dealing Flop **
, ,

littledice checks
Rive*** bets
$57.00 USD

heez*** folds
littledice calls
$57.00 USD

** Dealing Turn **


littledice checks
Rive*** checks
** Dealing River **


littledice bets
$175.00 USD

Rive*** raises
$470.00 USD

littledice folds
Rive*** wins $295.00 USD
Rive*** wins $556.00 USD from main pot

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DanishDonk
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Post Date: Feb 06, 2010 08:48 PM
 
Edited on : Feb 06, 2010 09:19 PM

He called on the flop which looks straighty, so he can only really bluff with a missed straight draw which does not look likely on this board. So it looks like a twopair hand or a straight.

89, 9Q, AQ all hit.

If he is bluffraising he is not doing it with complete air - he could have a pair which did not improve, but you say he likes to hero call. So Maybe a hand like AT would hero call and not bluffraise. You also made a decent sized bet which is less likely to be bluffraised. If you made a minbet I would have been more confused. So it looks like a fold.

You played the hand cautiously, but well IMO. You could also have chosen to play it faster sometimes checkraising the flop or betting the turn at least. If you had played the hand faster, he would probably have folded AQ on the turn. And I don't think your line is that weird, against certain opponents semibluffing is a waste of chips.

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IrwinFletcher
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Post Date: Feb 08, 2010 09:05 AM

I can barely read the beginning of these hand histories to tell who is sitting where!  What are the relevant positions?

Given the read that the villain plays pretty snug at 20/15 and likes to bluff catch / hero call I think that this is probably a fold?!  

It feels weird because you probably don't have much / any air in your range with this line on this board, which should make it difficult for even a guy who likes to hero call to bluff catch with a weak pair of jacks or tens.  This means that he should probably fold, or bluff raise his entire range on the river, assuming he knows that you know he likes to hero call.  

Even so, I feel that with all the draws that came in on the turn and river, along with all the possible two pair hands, most villains are going to behave honestly and ultimately decide that this is a poor spot to bluff.    

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coolrunnings77
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Post Date: Feb 08, 2010 03:44 PM

k thanks for feedback. yea cake makes it a pain in the ass to save hand histories  thats y theyre hard to read

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PhilGalfond
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Post Date: Mar 18, 2010 01:09 PM

 Given your reads, this is perfectly played.  I think the same spot against other opponents could very well be a call (or not a bet in the first place)

All he's done is cbet and check back turn, so his range is very weak by the time you bet the river.  Because the % of his range that can value raise here is so small, he doesn't need to bluff that often with the weaker portion of his range to make this a call.  In addition, he doesn't have a ton of decent made hands (like 2nd pair) that he'd be reluctant to turn into a bluff.

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Matin82
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Post Date: Mar 31, 2010 01:36 AM
 
Edited on : Mar 31, 2010 01:42 AM

You say its a snug and very tuff reg, so how many hands does he have that calls and mucks to our river bet, when he cbets flop vs 2 opp and checks back turn? I mean most/all 1 pair hands on flop are just bluffcatchers on river. I think he folds or raises this river mostly, and if he calls he will show a better hand more often than not imo.. I know we dont want him to get a cheap SD with a J, but would a good 5/10 TAG check back turn here with AJ/QJ and expect u to bluff this river? Dont we expect him to fold QT/T9/99/88/78 to our bet, since we never have air here, so is it bad to check and give him the chance to turn those hands into bluffs on the river? Or will he bluff more often if we bet into him? If so I guess we r betting to induce a raise? Or am i just wayyy off here?? :)

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