would appreciate any advice on this hand i think i missplayed it terribly

5/5 blinds
effective stacks $500

my image is rocky / solid / not real gambler
i perceived villain has a casual player def not a reg just a business man in a suit but didnt blow up or throw money away.
pretty solid was winning in the session.

*action*

MP opens for $30
LP calls $30
Hero on CO with 77
Villain on SB calls $25 more (did not consider raising)

FLOP pot (95)
537
SB villain CHECKS
MP checks
hero bets $65
SB calls (did not really tank)
MP folds

TURN pot ( 225)
T

SB leads out for $220
Hero ?? (has 405 behind, so if i shove would cost villain 185 more)

any advice much appreciated

 

Unless I'm missing something I think this is an easy shove 100% of the time.  There is no reason to flat call with so little behind letting the few draws in the villain's range see a river without charging the maximum.

I guess I should explain my reasoning.  You have the guy pegged as a recreational player.  This makes it very difficult to assign any sort of logic to his plays.  It also makes what you believe your image to be somewhat irrelevant since you do not know if he is paying any attention or not.  

He could be leading with top pair.  He could be leading with a pair plus a gut shot.  He could be leading with 89.  He could be leading with pockets below tens.  He could have all kinds of hands that you beat that will also call an all-in raise getting great odds.  

He could be leading with a set of tens, or the flopped straight.  This doesn't really matter though since you aren't going to fold your hand at any point.  

I agree with Irwin here.  There is no reason to flat this.  His value range that beats yours is so narrow, and most likely his calling range is fairly wide.  Shoving here is ideal.

i ended up shoving turn and getting snap called by 46

bit of silly post i know we can never really get away from it but just wondered if we ever even consider calling turn and folding to river shove but thats just retarded =/

cooler ><

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tyblock wrote:

i ended up shoving turn and getting snap called by 46

bit of silly post i know we can never really get away from it but just wondered if we ever even consider calling turn and folding to river shove but thats just retarded =/

cooler ><

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Being able to make a profitable call versus a profitable fold is all about the assessment of a player's hand range. It wouldn't be outlandish to lay down a set here, but you would need a strong reason to believe villain can never have air here. Well one good reason is that on the turn the board is still rainbow, there are no flushdraws on the flop, and the 10 doesn't ever hit villain's range much. Consider what he's flatting with preflop as well, snap-calling the flop and then betting pot or so on the turn with. 35?! 75?! (You have two 7s), 73? ! (You have two 7s). 68? Is he capable of this? I'm pretty confident that readless this is a snap ship on the turn, but some villains play a very peculiar way (especially live) where they just never show up on the turn here with a bluff and couldn't possibly have a hand like 35/73/75 here which would mean they're calling wide preflop... so it's definitely possible to get away from this hand, but with a read against specific opponents who very rarely bluff. This is considering the fact that villain is never airballing 68o here and has more combinations of 46o in his hand than any other hand that you beat. 89o is sometimes possible but then again so is 1010.

P.S. I play a lot of live poker. $5/10 now.

-FKingFish