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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
ElTorreroRubio wrote:
Giggy,
You mention in the video how 3betting KQo from SB is going to be a mistake vs pretty much anyone. Could you please elaborate a little bit on this?
Let's just say folding is out of the question, which leaves us with flat calling and 3betting as options. My standard against a vast majority of people is to 3b the hand, my reasoning being that the reverse domintaion risk is minimal and the only hand the villain may have in his flatcalling range that dominates me is AQ, allowing that they don't 4b the hand. Most of the time we will miss the flop and it's much easier to win the pot if you have the initiative, which is gained by 3b the hand in the first place.
I just can't see how flatcalling is a beeter option, so if you could drop some knowledge I'd be very grateful.
Edit: assuming 100bb stacks and the villain is not a huge 4betor
KQo is too valuable to 3bet (and not valuable enough to go broke). You are dominating every Kx and Qx that would fold to a 3bet and can get lots of value from when you both flop top pair. You pretty much always flop at least 2 overcards, usually with some kind of backdoor and have a great check-raise flop spot.
The problem with your overall strategy if you're 3-betting KQo from the small blind is probably that you don't 3bet enough bluffs, hands like A3o or J9o or K5s, etc. When you start 3-bet bluffing all those hands as a bluff (as you should do against a very wide preflop opener), you don't want to add KQo to that range as it will make it too big and easily exploitable. KQo has enough value postflop in a single raised pot not to be used as a "bluff" 3-betting hand.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
StuZero wrote:
35:47 You are talking about your reads and reasons for 3betting the flop with ATo on the Kd6c9s board basically that there were a lot of GS which your opponent would Raise and then fold to a reraise and few hands he value raises. Is your decision to 3bet here largely to being OOP? If we modified the hand so that you were IP with the same hand vs a guy who CR the same range would you elect to call that CR (as a value call) or would you still raise here? Are there any factors that would lead you to calling IP / OOP against a guy with either a rising or CR range thats largely weak draws when you can identify which chunk of the board hits these draws? Thanks
Very good question.
My 3-betting the flop is indeed based on the fact that I'm oop, and that there is a ton of turns that I don't want to see/won't know how to react on/lose the hand on. Being oop means that if my opponent decides to give up the turn I give him 2 free cards too.
When in position you will have the info of what your opponent does before getting to act, so you'll be able to even to use your ATo as a bluff if you read that your opponent hit a medium pair or something like that. So you pretty much always want to call in position in a similar situation, because playing in position for the next streets equals to a lot of value.
I would pretty much always call, even oop, if my opponent is someone absurdly agressive. If I feel that my opponent will continue betting pretty much all of his bluffs on the turn, I'm giving up too much A-high value by reraising the flop. In those instances, a call-down strategy becomes obviously best becaue you get tons of value from bluffs, which is not true in that situation because I felt like my opponent would only rarely keep betting the turn with air.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
maryhadalamb wrote:
Please explain your turn sizing at 52.27, I'd probably go for something more like 130
This is purely a balance thing, I've played a lot of hands against innerpsy and I want to be able to size my bluffs to the same amount in that situation.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
beextoo wrote:
good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo
I'm not sure in which way you think the play is bad? Would you rather advocate checking the flop or try to get it in?
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
luckydhaliwal wrote:
Giggy, great video as usual. I couldn't help but notice that you were playing on a mac. How are you getting poker tracker running on it. Are you running a virtual machine. Thanks
Poker Tracker 3 has a mac version, you just can't run Hold'em Manager.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
Guenni wrote:
"good video, I was wondering why you cbet the J67cc flop oop and call his raise on the flop? pretty any turn you are folding.. tactical mistake imo " same here. pretty much half the deck is a bad card for us... would be nice to hear the explanation on that hand (aroudn 39min bottom left) really really good video. i hope none of the midstakes grinders are watching this video b/c the leaks you pointed out are by far the biggest leaks people have at these stakes.
I'm c-betting because I want to get value, and I'm calling the raise because my opponent has a big enough bluff raise % in that situation so that I'm well ahead of his range. Reraising could be an option although I don't like it, as you make him fold pretty much all of his bluffs from which you could get value later.
I don't like shoving also because I don't think he's ever raising to go broke with worse for value.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
SexyHero wrote:
in the K3 hand against o-omx trip overbet turn , you dont think by overbetting turn you let him fold way more easy (plus facilement ) than with a standard bet? , i mean ok he is be a hero but he is a reg not a random fish, and he know you are good/reg standard, I thaink he is going to call / make move more often with standard sizingbet here just think he is more able to be a hero vs standard play than vs an overbet Not sure if iam right , but apreciate any argument here and if he is be a hero , once he call you turn do you think he is going to fold a lot vs overbet ship river? Thank you a lot for the video martin always a real pleasure, Feel free post more content/video ! I think you can do for a nextvideo, just make two podcast , one more technical strategy of the game , and later the other more mental , Jsut speak about what ever sub-subject, everythink you say is almost always interesting , I think if you take time to right on paper you can do really really good stuff this way If BFP dont let you make podcast (not a lot of sense but ok) play one table no more nl5k :P Thank you
The overbet with K3 there is kind of part of a rock-paper-scissors game I'm imposing on my opponent. On boards where it's highly unlikely that my opponent has more than 1 pair on the turn, (that board isn't the best example, I'd prefer boards like 356ss J) I'll overbet a good amount of bluffs and a good amount of value and will let him guess. If I think he's going to fold too often I'll do it as a bluff a lot, if it's the contrary I'll do it for value a lot. Here, for some reasons, I thought he had a good chance of hero calling me a couple of times, so I adjusted my sizing to that. It has not worked, but from that point on I can start testing him again with bluffs in that situation, see how he reacts and adjust accordingly.
And I'll think about the podcast idea, I could try and organize my thoughts on paper. Thanks.
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StuZero
Poker Newbie
29 PostsRe: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
Hey Giggy
Thanks for taking the time to answer my question, and everyone else's, so thoroughly. I have learned a great deal from reading through your responses.
Thank you very much.
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: 00:15:51
mrazish wrote:
Sry, what did you say on 00:15:51? "I just think he thinks I’m gonna WHAT"? Didn't get it and the whole thing got messed up for me. Could you please tell me what word was that or what does it mean. Thx a bunch)
"I just think he thinks I'm gonna spazz"
Spazz = fuck up, brainfart
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MartinGiggy
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539 PostsRe: Re: Giggy's 6max Attention to Detail
GabeTheKid wrote:
I'm new to BFP, so I'm curious if Giggy actually answers questions in the comment section? ---- I'll post a couple comments/questions that I can think off right now. 1) About c-betting AJ or AQ on 226r boards being a common leak in regs. Do you mean when we're IP? or when we're OOP you think c/c>bet also? I can agree with you about being IP (ie. we raise BTN wAJ and BB calls, flop 226r) but if we raise MP and BTN calls, don't you think betting (even if we're just b/f here) is more profitable than c/guessing? Betting gives us the immediate FE. It gives us opportunities to barrel the turn and get small-mid PPs to fold while gaining some value from them on the flop. C/guessing makes it so that our opponent will not be making too many mistakes vs. us. He will be able to read our hand much more easily (I assume you're not too balanced here as I expect you to cbet QQ+ on that board; perhaps once in a while you'll do this with 6x or 22 or 66 but overall your range is weighted very heavily to A-high and being OOP gives our opponent a huge edge). Is my thinking flawed or maybe I misunderstood you? ----------- Another thing is I don't really agree (perhaps yet) about the KQ being a bad 3-bet in the SB. Could you elaborate on that? I think it's a great hand to 3-bet with if your opponent is not 4-bet happy. It has good card-removal properties. AK will 4-bet us preflop so we aren't worried about being dominated on K high boards when he flats our 3-bet. AQ flatting us is the biggest (and only?) downside really. But if we just flat the original pfr, then it creates a lot of disadvantages. It's going to be hard to win a lot of pots postflop. We're going to be forced to fold on 337, A72r type boards a lot and he'll pwn us with 9To or other air a ton of the time. We will win some small-medium sized pots on Q and K high boards, yes. There are many other factors I can mention but this post is getting quite long as it is and I think I made my points. Curious as to what your thoughts are about my thoughts? Thanks and very nice vid.
1) I agree that it makes a great deal of difference between being ip and oop in this situation... and I agree that it's going a big enough deal to change our decision very often. When playing ip you have the luxury to see what your opponent does first and then control the action accordingly, something you can't do oop. I don't say that it becomes an automatic bet oop (other factors such as our opponent's bluffing/calling frequencies, predictability and the preflop exact positions are going to have to be considered), but the situation is not the same because of indeed all the reasons you've explained.
However, if you're playing against someone very predictable, it's usually theoratically best to check/react, especially if your opponent bluffs let's say 100% in that situation.
2) And I've answered about KQ to a couple of guys already, if you're not satisfied with my answers you can ask me to clarify and/or reconsider my position. I'm still convinced that a call is the better play though.
edit after reading your 2nd post :
If you're up against a true 4-bet monkey (let's say over 20%), I actually believe it becomes better to 3-bet the KQo and call the 4bet, given how far ahead of your opponent's range you're going to be. Although this is much more close/debatable
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