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WeLostAlpha
Poker Newbie
24 PostsRe: Re: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
BigBoy34 wrote:
I see a lot of people talking about here how the midstakes to highstakes NL games are becoming tougher and tougher and edges are getting smaller, but currently how are the midstakes-highstakes plo games? I am a midstakes nl pro myself plus I live in the US where the sites I can play on plo games rarely even run at midstakes and higher, so I am curious to how these plo games are. Are they becoming regfested as well, or is there a legitimate difference in terms of beatability between mid to highstakes plo and nl holdem?
Top plo winners clear 15bb/100, top nlhe winners are around 5bb/100.
Great video Phil, please don't make a non live 6max nlhe vid again!
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BigBoy34
Poker Newbie
2 PostsRe: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
Wow pretty sick I did not know the best regs where the crushing the games that hard. -
ghetifal
Poker Trainee
80 PostsRe: Re: Re: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
WeLostAlpha wrote:
Top plo winners clear 15bb/100, top nlhe winners are around 5bb/100.
Great video Phil, please don't make a non live 6max nlhe vid again!
Where did you find that top winners have an actual winrate of over 15bb/100 in mid-high stakes PLO? From what I've seen, it is true that there are guys crushing the game between 10 and 12 bb/100, but above 15bb/100 sounds like winrate exaggeration/inflation. There are still guys crushing at 7-10 bb/100 at mid-high stakes NL, just a lot less of them then there are in that range for PLO. If you are looking at sample sizes of less than 150,000 hands for PLO, I think that is a big mistake. Even for NL, where most people have a standard deviation between 90-130 bb/100, and 150000 seems like a decent sample size to start converging with true win rate pretty decently, but in PLO, where mid-high stakes regs have standard deviation between 170-230, you probably need an even larger sample to start determining win-rate, although 150,000 seems like an absolute minimum sample size. Even after 50,000 hands, people can be many buy-ins off from there all in EV, and that only considers all-in variance, without regards to situational variance like running into certain parts of villains ranges more often than normal (for good or bad) or boards running off bad or good for you and stuff.
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vitinhodzi
Poker Newbie
26 PostsRe: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
Great video Phil! U are the best... -
donkrx
Poker Newbie
2 PostsRe: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
If anything, with the way the games are being played now I think there is even more merit to playing tighter preflop. Now that people are 4betting light and sometimes 5bet shoving light too, we're simply fighting fire with fire and it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Why do we have to fight a LAG player with an even more LAG strategy of our own? Yes reraising light can be a good play, but when you get to the point that you're often putting most of your stack in preflop, you end up reducing the edge you might have had postflop. NLHE is largely a postflop game too, so as a stronger player I would think that playing flops is something we want to prioritize. I'm not at all saying to play less *aggressive*, I'm saying to just tighten up opening ranges or 3betting ranges so that our opponents "spaz" against our range which is tighter than they are used to. Basically this is what Phil covered in this video though. -
tyggigum
Poker Newbie
1 PostsRe: Phil's 6 Tables Midstakes NL Live
Hi Phil. First of all, just to clarify my level and understanding as a poker player, I'm a somewhat big winner, I guess you can say crush, the 1/2-3/6 games. And I owe a lot of my success at the tables to BlueFirePoker, especially you, Giggy and Alan, who I worked really closely with for a couple of months - well enough of the sweet talk :) I'm thinking, how do you decide whether to call or raise on K high flops when you flop top pair? Obviously it's depending highly on your image and on villian. But I'm thinking more, what boards do you prefer to do it on? Dry boards when villian thinks that you would never raise this board, or wet boards when villain is likely to put you on a draw? The question is maybe not as well written as I would have liked, but hopefully you understand my question. I'm not just thinking wet/dry boards, but I'm thinking generally. What boards do you prefer to raise when you hit top pair, and when do you slowplay/call? I've heard you talk a lot about this in your videos, and maybe you could make a video when you focus on this :) kindly Tórður.
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