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scarface23
Poker Newbie
27 Posts3 hands with problems after donking with overpair
1)
he raised 4 out of 7 donk bets.
nevertheless I donk here because I just see no other way to play the hand. c/c will bring me in so many bad turn spots and c/f seems to weak for me. Since a donk will give me more information about his range (c/c give me no information at all) I decided to donkbet here.
Do you fold to the raise? In retrospect i think folding would be better because it feels for me like I can only make mistakes on turn and river..folding best hand or pay off.
as played what to do on the turn with 2 PSBs left?
http://weaktight.com/3531840
2)
Since I also have the flushdraw c/c (or c/r ?) would be options too. without flushdraw I donk here most of the time.
opponent plays 48/25 but is little bit under avarage aggressive.
how do you guys play a hand like this?
KsQsKc3h 40.62%
As*s**, Js9*s*, JT98, TT**, 88**, 33*s*s, Js9s7* 59.38%
feel free to change this range if you want..
http://weaktight.com/3531841
3)
my main question - where I was most unsure - is on the turn. checking feels like giving up and so weak. now I like b/f more, you agree with that?
as played c/f river I guess?
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aggrofox
Poker Trainee
93 PostsRe: 3 hands with problems after donking with overpair
1.)At a glance, you obviously don't want to put any more in flipping or dead and OOP with troubling cards to come. But he has been raising your donks alot and this is the perfect hand to 3b him with. It's just too weak to call and let him barrell, and just too strong to fold. He should expect you to combat him with 8 10 J hands, and thus call you light with 10 10 J sort of hands, and your Jacks is perfect here.
2.) C/C is standard
3.) As played he can be VBetting a good king on the river, has few very strong hands and many busted draws. You'd need a dynamic for a C/F.
You seem to donk alot especially with overs, and Aces with the nut flush blocker is a good time to add some variety. As for the turn, it's close and player dependent.
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scarface23
Poker Newbie
27 PostsRe: 3 hands with problems after donking with overpair
well in the first hand he not raised just my donk bets I just see this in my hud, but was not everything against me. but since he seems to play aggressiv vs donks I like c/c much more with this hand..just have no idea what to do vs raise..my equity could be already veeery bad.
I not see the sense in c/c in hand 2..could you explain this further.
by the way: if somebody say some line is "standard" that normally means that this person not really think about every option available and probably plays in autopilot too often.
in other forums most people said the would c/r here and after thinking about this I also think thats the best line here
in hand 3 I agree he has very few strong hands but i not agree that he has many busted draws. only 57, 53 and hearts are draws on the flop. obv he never has 57, with 53 he probably has some random 2pair more often than not and I got the Ah so he would only call if he has some pair together with his lower flushdraw.
given that against what he can vbet AK? I think if he bets his most likly hand is K8..would be hard to find a call here :S
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aggrofox
Poker Trainee
93 PostsRe: 3 hands with problems after donking with overpair
The reason number 2 is a check calling spot by default is playability. Having the fd means you do not have to worry about being bet off the best hand, as you would with a hand such as a wrap+pair or a lone overpair. If it comes a blank, you are obviously happy, and if it comes a straight completing card, you can still call a bet. Obviously if it comes a flush you have the option of letting him bluff into you. The key is you are safe on virtually any card and don't have to worry about protecting, and thus you want to keep him in the hand and get paid off vs his air.
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Kwasten
Poker Newbie
23 PostsRe: 3 hands with problems after donking with overpair
1:
If he bets, Cr the turn, You have two blockers, and outs. And you can make him fold lots of hands two pair hands and air.
If he checks behind, I would not bluff the river, since the turn completed some straights, I believe he might check a lot of made hands behind just to call the river.
2: Check-call, for all previous stated reasons.
3:I like a bet here, because I think checkcalling or checkfolding in this spot is even worse. And since you have the Ah blocker i doubt he would call again with a non nutflush draw.
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