NL 50 overpair or tptk on drawy flop » Small Stakes No Limit Discussion

Hey guys, i'd like to know what is your opinion on the best way to play on this tipe of spots on these stakes vs some unknown players. both hands i did not had a lot of info about the villains, on the AQ hand i had played just 20 hands against the villain and his stats were 8/8 (seems tight, but i saw him 3betting TJs vs utg in a hand, so he is obviously capable of moves), and the KK hand it was the villains first hand. I mean, is it okay to shove on the turn, since there are possibly some draws on their range, or is it better to just call and reavaluate the river?

btw, sorry, but there was an error converting the hand, i tryed to fix it but i had already posted

PokerStars Hand #81970807628:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/06/15 2:19:03 BRT [2012/06/15 1:19:03 ET]
Table 'Arequipa II' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Via Vegas ($68.64 in chips)
Seat 2: roginho77 ($70.40 in chips)
Seat 3: Ty4YrChips ($50 in chips)
Seat 4: marianoboni ($18.75 in chips)
Seat 5: apretadelsur ($74.03 in chips)
Seat 6: Yellow_Pitt ($73.66 in chips)
apretadelsur: posts small blind $0.25
Yellow_Pitt: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to roginho77 [Qs Ad]
Via Vegas: folds
roginho77: raises $1 to $1.50
Ty4YrChips: calls $1.50
marianoboni: folds
apretadelsur: folds
Yellow_Pitt: folds
*** FLOP *** [Qh 5s Js]
roginho77: bets $2.75
Ty4YrChips: raises $7.75 to $10.50
roginho77: calls $7.75
*** TURN *** [Qh 5s Js] [8c]
roginho77: checks
Ty4YrChips: bets $13.50
roginho77: raises $44.90 to $58.40 and is all-in
Ty4YrChips: calls $24.50 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($20.40) returned to roginho77
*** RIVER *** [Qh 5s Js 8c] [Kc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
roginho77: shows [Qs Ad] (a pair of Queens)
Ty4YrChips: shows [5c 5d] (three of a kind, Fives)
Ty4YrChips collected $98.25 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $100.75 | Rake $2.50
Board [Qh 5s Js 8c Kc]
Seat 1: Via Vegas folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: roginho77 showed [Qs Ad] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 3: Ty4YrChips showed [5c 5d] and won ($98.25) with three of a kind, Fives
Seat 4: marianoboni (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: apretadelsur (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: Yellow_Pitt (big blind) folded before Flop

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PokerStars Hand #82042912211:  Hold'em No Limit ($0.25/$0.50 USD) - 2012/06/16 16:58:38 BRT [2012/06/16 15:58:38 ET]
Table 'Eumaios II' 6-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: 100111000 ($58.91 in chips)
Seat 2: Malyshev4479 ($30.05 in chips)
Seat 3: Googol1979 ($56.05 in chips)
Seat 4: Brrrrainiac ($50 in chips)
Seat 5: roginho77 ($50 in chips)
Seat 6: andharley ($49.48 in chips)
Googol1979: posts small blind $0.25
Brrrrainiac: posts big blind $0.50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to roginho77 [Ks Kh]
roginho77: raises $1 to $1.50
andharley: folds
100111000: folds
Malyshev4479: folds
Googol1979: folds
Brrrrainiac: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [4c 9c 8d]
Brrrrainiac: checks
roginho77: bets $2
Brrrrainiac: raises $4.35 to $6.35
roginho77: calls $4.35
*** TURN *** [4c 9c 8d] [3h]
Brrrrainiac: bets $8.95
roginho77: calls $8.95
*** RIVER *** [4c 9c 8d 3h] [5c]
Brrrrainiac: bets $33.20 and is all-in
roginho77: folds
Uncalled bet ($33.20) returned to Brrrrainiac
Brrrrainiac collected $32.33 from pot
Brrrrainiac: doesn't show hand
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot $33.85 | Rake $1.52
Board [4c 9c 8d 3h 5c]
Seat 1: 100111000 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: Malyshev4479 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Googol1979 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 4: Brrrrainiac (big blind) collected ($32.33)
Seat 5: roginho77 folded on the River
Seat 6: andharley folded before Flop (didn't bet)

There are many types of unknowns...

If he's done anything fishy AT ALL you just can't fold these spots. If not, then neil is prob right. Gone are the days when you call flop jam turn to get called by 2nd pair...

excellent reply