Did I play this wrong? » Micro Stakes No Limit Discussion

  • Nason702 Nason702 Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Did I play this wrong?
    9 May 2012 at 12:38am

    $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem • 5 Players

    Converted by Bluefire Poker - Hand history Converter

    UTG14.30
    me (CO)45.72
    BTN7.41
    SB30.34
    BB49.46

    Effective Stacks: 30bb

    Pre-Flop (0.35, 5 players)

    Hero is CO

    hK sK

    1 fold, me raises to 0.75, 1 fold, SB raises to 2.50, 1 fold, me raises to 5.50, SB calls 3.00

    Flop (12.10, 2 players)

    cT h5 hT

    SB checks, me checks

    Turn (12.10, 2 players)

    sJ

    SB bets 5.62, me calls 5.62

    River (23.34, 2 players)

    cJ

    SB goes all-in 19.22, me folds

    Final Pot: 42.56

    SB wins 40.59 ( won +10.25 )

    me lost -11.12

    this guy is playing 20/14 with a 4.5 3bet and 80 fold to 3bet, i only have 800 hands on him 

  • Humbled Humbled Poker Newbie
    20 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    9 May 2012 at 11:01am

    Hi Nason702,

     

    I think your opponent had 77-99, QQ, or A/Q. I thought about it and discounted the A/J -- he/she may have had A/J but it just seems like he/she didn't based on the way the hand was played.

    Just out of curiousity -- how come you didn't bet the Flop or raise the Turn?

  • EZGAME EZGAME Poker Trainee
    116 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    9 May 2012 at 11:09am

    I would never 4bet pre and then check this flop unless I had TT I guess.

    Cbet the flop, Cbet the turn, and re-evaluate the river.

  • soulpatch2 soulpatch2 Poker Trainee
    55 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    9 May 2012 at 11:44am

    This plays easier if you cbet the flop, for sure. But played this way, why fold?

    even over 800 hands, 4.5% 3bet is almost all value, so I'd say TT+, AQ+. But the bottom part of that range doesn't call a 4bet. So.... QQ+, AKs? If you really think that AA would just shove over you pre, then you're talking about a range you beat a ton. There aren't a lot of T's in his range, or J's for that matter. He can't have a busted flush draw because AKhh would be the only one, and you have the Kh. 

    There's only one combo of TT, only one combo of JJ and other than that, a guy with TAGish stats like that doesn't have any other T's or J's in his range. AA would have shipped pre, usually. So what's left is a lot of combos of hands you're beating. 

    His sizing worries me, since it loks like he's setting you up to call an under-pot river shove. But I still think it might be a +EV call on the river.

    Still, cbet the F and T and you won't have to worry about these questions. 

     

     

  • Nason702 Nason702 Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: Re: Did I play this wrong?
    9 May 2012 at 10:20pm

    Humbled wrote:

    Hi Nason702,

     

    I think your opponent had 77-99, QQ, or A/Q. I thought about it and discounted the A/J -- he/she may have had A/J but it just seems like he/she didn't based on the way the hand was played.

    Just out of curiousity -- how come you didn't bet the Flop or raise the Turn?

    ok i didnt bet the flop cause he was 4 betting, 5 betting calling me a lot with J10 109 kind of hands, so i check trying to improve or get to show down cheaply. the half pot turn looked like he wanted me to reraise so i just called. by the river i thought that i played the hand so bad that a fold would be best and i would just wait for a better spot. 

  • flakydorf flakydorf Poker Apprentice
    228 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    10 May 2012 at 10:54pm

    If he's bad enough to be calling a 4b oop and then trying to play fancy, I'd punish him and make my 4b sizing larger. As played I call river, but I bet flop close to 100% I think since I'm always barreling air.

  • plololol plololol Poker Newbie
    31 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    23 May 2012 at 11:38am

    bet flop then re-evaluate because the hand will play completely differently

  • JPZdancewicz JPZdancewicz Bluefire Pro Poker Trainee
    188 Posts
    Re: Did I play this wrong?
    23 May 2012 at 11:14pm

    Don't think it's mandatory to bet the flop "because you would bet air" since you should def have an air checking-back-range too. Considering you are going to check back AK/AQ 90%+ I would check back here a fair amount (dare I say as a standard??).

    Call the turn and river unless reads dictate otherwise. Easy for him to jam AQ to freeroll a chop, 99- bc he doesn't want to c/f. 

     

    You could potentially check back flop and raise turn, but I don't think this players preflop 3betting range is wide enough for this to be good.