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bet3bet
Poker Newbie
40 Posts25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem • 6 Players
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UTG+1 27.51 CO 25.00 BTN 26.24 SB 25.69 BB 44.86 me (UTG) 25.00 Effective Stacks: 100bb
Pre-Flop (0.35, 6 players)
Hero is UTG
me raises to 1.00, 2 folds, BTN calls 1.00, 1 fold, BB calls 0.75
Flop (3.10, 3 players)
BB checks, me bets 2.25, BTN raises to 6.75, BB folds, me goes all-in 24.00, BTN calls 17.25
Turn (51.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)
River (51.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: 51.10
BTN shows
me shows
BTN wins 48.55 ( won +23.55 )
BB lost -1.00
me lost -25.00
Hey there, this is 25NL, had 6 hands on him, and his stats is 44/0 so basically cannot make a read out of him. He calls my open and raise me on the flop here. I don't know should i put him on KK+, cuz he might just 3b pre if his not a fish limping 100%, so i think his range here could be an overpair 88-QQ(30 combos), sets(9 combos) and AXs(10 combos) roughly. and maybe a few combo draws but thats insignificant. I only beat 88-99 which might fold to my raise, so...is the best play here for me to fold given that if i raise his gonna fold all worse, and if i call it's gonna be hard for me to play against him and he could potentially bluff me off the hand with weaker holding on scare cards like a flush(even if he doesnt hit) or a J or higher?
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MoniesRemovalPLC
Poker Apprentice
239 PostsRe: 25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
i dont like folding here cos we have an overpair, also raises OTF aren't in general as strong as raises OTT / OTR, in general versus bad players who i have no read on if i get raised with a one pair hand on turn/riv i know im 99% fuked so i fold.
without any info that he bluff raises shuving is pretty terrible cos u very rarely get called by worse. (also brds super dry so never has a draw so even if he is bluff raising calling better so he can keep up his bluff OTT/R). since we only have 4 hands on villain i would assume he can do this with A7 88 99 aswell as sets and overpairs, so i would defo call the flop and fold to a large bet OTT, often though fishy players will raise TP OTF then chk bk turn when called cos they freeze up. then you can blocker / value bet the river
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diaphragm
Poker Newbie
46 PostsRe: 25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
I dont know but you cant play that hard on UTG... why in the hell do you just went allin?! There are TOO many hands beating you there. You played ok till you got crazy and shoved lol
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AshThePro
Poker Newbie
24 PostsRe: 25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
First off if you have hardly any hands on him you should just treat him like an unknown.
If he is an unknown you should have a default playing style to go back to if you have no information. There for shoving for value on that board is not profitable.
His raise sizing also screams value in this situation.
The stats are irrelevant because you've only played 6 hands with the guy. You shouldn't be relying on your HUD to begin with.
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soulpatch2
Poker Trainee
48 PostsRe: 25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
I agree with Ash. Stats are useless here. That size raise is usually a hand that beats TT. I agree w/ OP that AA, KK are probably out of his range, but I don't think many people at this level raise as a bluff, even though the board could be a little wet for a calling range. The worst thing he could possibly have I think is Axdd, but it's almost always QQ, JJ, or a set.
He's asking you to call 4.50 into 12.10, right? I mean, I think at this point his raise turns TT into a hand that you were set mining with, and you didn't hit your set. Absent reads, I hope I could fold and watch to see if he does it again. Next best is maybe call, but I think you have to think you're down to two outs here. The shove isn't going to fold out better at these stakes, and only sometimes gets a call from worse with a bunch of outs.
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Thebowskii
Poker Prodigy
324 PostsRe: 25NL Marginal hands getting raised OOP
bet3bet wrote:
$0.10/$0.25 No Limit Holdem • 6 Players
Converted by Bluefire Poker - Hand history Converter
UTG+1 27.51 CO 25.00 BTN 26.24 SB 25.69 BB 44.86 me (UTG) 25.00 Effective Stacks: 100bb
Pre-Flop (0.35, 6 players)
Hero is UTG
me raises to 1.00, 2 folds, BTN calls 1.00, 1 fold, BB calls 0.75Flop (3.10, 3 players)
BB checks, me bets 2.25, BTN raises to 6.75, BB folds, me goes all-in 24.00, BTN calls 17.25Turn (51.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)
River (51.10, 2 players, 1 all-in)
Final Pot: 51.10
BTN shows
me shows
BTN wins 48.55 ( won +23.55 )
BB lost -1.00
me lost -25.00
Hey there, this is 25NL, had 6 hands on him, and his stats is 44/0 so basically cannot make a read out of him. He calls my open and raise me on the flop here. I don't know should i put him on KK+, cuz he might just 3b pre if his not a fish limping 100%, so i think his range here could be an overpair 88-QQ(30 combos), sets(9 combos) and AXs(10 combos) roughly. and maybe a few combo draws but thats insignificant. I only beat 88-99 which might fold to my raise, so...is the best play here for me to fold given that if i raise his gonna fold all worse, and if i call it's gonna be hard for me to play against him and he could potentially bluff me off the hand with weaker holding on scare cards like a flush(even if he doesnt hit) or a J or higher?
I honestly will just muck this hand on the flop. I really doubt that an unknown is 3betting our cbet on this board enough with total air, or nonpaired flush draw frequency compared to when he has 2 pr+ or a combo draw.
IMO this is a call IP and fold OOP vs an unknown as if this is the type of guy to bluff raise us on the flop he will often be able to barrel us off on the turn if we elect try and show down OOP.
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