NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help! » Micro Stakes No Limit Discussion

  • psstsaygirl psstsaygirl Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    10 Feb 2010 at 5:36pm

    Hey guys. Lately I haven't had many questions or tricky spots I've been in but this one comes in the form of being deep, with a great image of me 3 betting a lot, facing a semi competant player (25/22 11ish % 3b over 100 hands) and most importantly in a squeeze spot!

    I had just 3 bet this guy a few hands prior and I normally would just fold AK deep here. Is calling even an option out of position since I'm going to miss the flop so much? Do I just get it in and chalk it up to a terrible situation? My image on the table was pretty crazy :)

     

    PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (4 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

    Button ($46)
    Hero (SB) ($92.15)
    BB ($49.75)
    UTG ($142.15)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with K, A
    UTG bets $1.75, Button calls $1.75, Hero raises to $6.50, 1 fold, UTG raises to $21.75, 1 fold, Hero raises to $92.15 (All-In), UTG calls $70.40

    Flop: ($186.55) 9, K, 4 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Turn: ($186.55) 8 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    River: ($186.55) 7 (2 players, 1 all-in)

    Total pot: $186.55 | Rake: $2

  • bmmartin bmmartin Poker Newbie
    334 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    10 Feb 2010 at 5:56pm

    am i the only one who thinks getting it in 200 bb deep with ak pre isnt bad?

    You squeeze here for value, it would be pretty bad if you folded to a 4b.  since your in position with a 1/4 of the money in the pot when he reraises, we could consider flatting since we are in position, but I really dont see anything wrong with the play here.

    Anyone else have an opinion?

    Im pretty sure I like shoving a lot here more than anything else.

     

  • psstsaygirl psstsaygirl Poker Newbie
    7 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    10 Feb 2010 at 5:59pm

    bmmartin wrote:

    am i the only one who thinks getting it in 200 bb deep with ak pre isnt bad?

    You squeeze here for value, it would be pretty bad if you folded to a 4b.  since your in position with a 1/4 of the money in the pot when he reraises, we could consider flatting since we are in position, but I really dont see anything wrong with the play here.

    Anyone else have an opinion?


     

    I posted it on the 2+2 forums as well and pretty much everyone thought given my reads it was still a fold. Blah. Also, is there any way given the situation calling could be the best play? I'm so confused!

     Here's my topic on 2+2. I'm afraid to get back on the tables until I know the answer to this hand. forumserver.twoplustwo.com/69/micro-stakes-pl-nl/50nl-ak-deep-708258/#post16741380

  • bmmartin bmmartin Poker Newbie
    334 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    11 Feb 2010 at 12:10pm

    Think of it this way.  If you are folding AK after squeezing pre vs a deep stacked, then you need to just flat rather than squeezing.  You dont want to be squeeze folding a hand as strong as AK, so if you arent comfortable being raised AK 200 bb deep, then flat it.   Also you can consider flatting the 4b since you are so deep, that's a little abnormal, but a valid option.

    Maybe you want to narrow your squeezing range to AKs if you are really that concerned.  The worst thing you can do is feel like you overplayed your hand, so you are forced to fold preflop.

  • IrwinFletcher IrwinFletcher Poker Newbie
    383 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    22 Feb 2010 at 9:05am

    If you truly have a maniac image then I think that shoving here is fine.  He could be 4-bet bluffing some of the time and also might call your shove light depending on how much he hates you.  I agree with Martin that if you don't think you're ahead of his under the gun range and won't know what to do if 4-bet then you should flat the AK and play it slow.

  • Delux_247 Delux_247 Poker Newbie
    36 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    23 Feb 2010 at 2:37pm

    given your image i dont see how flatting preflop is an option....especially since you expect them to 4bet lightish.....you are 3 betting to try and induce a 4 bet imo.  sure if they flat thats fine too, you have position...but say they are in fact fed up with you and 4 bet 88-jj and you 5 bet shove they are going to have a sick time calling. I think if the villian is a decent player and knows you are playing loose then that makes getting it in pre fine.....so what if you are flipping you have more fold equity then i think anyone is admitting. however, i think flatting his 4 bet is terrible, you are playing loose and it looks like you just cant fold a mid range value hand. also if you are in fact flipping pre and hit....your not going to extract any value from mid pp range while shoving pre gives u a ton of fold equity.

  • FlushGordon FlushGordon Poker Newbie
    1 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    26 Feb 2010 at 1:20pm

    Btw, you're in the SB, so you DON'T have position.

  • bmmartin bmmartin Poker Newbie
    334 Posts
    Re: NL50 AK in a squeeze spot with a maniac image - help!
    26 Feb 2010 at 5:18pm

    yea read that wrong... I think 3b/shoving is the most optimal line regardless, but even moreso oop.

     

    Also, your squeeze should be larger.