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Hesselgren
Poker Newbie
24 PostsBig river decision OOP deep.
Ok so i've just sat down on PokerStars new lovely deep tables. Ive been sitting for only a few minutes when the hand in question comes up.
I opened up 4 tables and got heads up with the player im geting involved with on 2 of them but we havent goten into any big confrontations or showdowns yet on the HU tables. I was able toi gather that he seemed to be 3beting alot out of possition 250bb deep.
We did however play a big pot on the other running 6-max table from wich I was able to gather some information.
Here is the hand we played prior to the hand in question:
Table 'Marfik' 6-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: Hesselgren ($500 in chips)
Seat 2: Dardovin ($229.45 in chips)
Seat 3: FG BC ($941 in chips)
Seat 4: DeanoSupremo ($809.20 in chips)
Seat 5: Makaveli_God ($623.25 in chips)
Seat 6: Student_Eur ($628.60 in chips)
Makaveli_God: posts small blind $1
Student_Eur: posts big blind $2
Hesselgren: posts the ante $0.40
Dardovin: posts the ante $0.40
FG BC: posts the ante $0.40
DeanoSupremo: posts the ante $0.40
Makaveli_God: posts the ante $0.40
Student_Eur: posts the ante $0.40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hesselgren [Ad As]
Hesselgren: raises $4 to $6
Dardovin: folds
FG BC: folds
DeanoSupremo: calls $6
Makaveli_God: calls $5
Student_Eur: folds
*** FLOP *** [Tc 7c 3d]
Makaveli_God: checks
Hesselgren: checks
DeanoSupremo: bets $14.30
Makaveli_God: folds
Hesselgren: calls $14.30
*** TURN *** [Tc 7c 3d] [Ah]
Hesselgren: checks
DeanoSupremo: bets $28.60
Hesselgren: raises $79.40 to $108
DeanoSupremo: calls $79.40
*** RIVER *** [Tc 7c 3d Ah] [Td]
Hesselgren: bets $194
DeanoSupremo: raises $194 to $388
Hesselgren: calls $177.30 and is all-in
Uncalled bet ($16.70) returned to DeanoSupremo
*** SHOW DOWN ***
DeanoSupremo: shows [Th Jc] (three of a kind, Tens)
Hesselgren: shows [Ad As] (a full house, Aces full of Tens)And here is the hand in question:
Table 'Annagerman' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: DeanoSupremo ($677.60 in chips)
Seat 2: starreset ($507.05 in chips)
Seat 3: procyma ($193.20 in chips)
Seat 4: Hesselgren ($579 in chips)
Seat 6: patersplace ($202.45 in chips)
starreset: posts small blind $1
procyma: posts big blind $2
Bidicha: sits out
patersplace: posts big blind $2
DeanoSupremo: posts the ante $0.40
starreset: posts the ante $0.40
procyma: posts the ante $0.40
Hesselgren: posts the ante $0.40
patersplace: posts the ante $0.40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hesselgren [Qh Qc]
Hesselgren: raises $4 to $6
patersplace: folds
DeanoSupremo: raises $20 to $26
starreset: folds
procyma: folds
Hesselgren: calls $20
*** FLOP *** [8c 2h 7s]
patersplace leaves the table
Hesselgren: checks
DeanoSupremo: bets $38.40
Hesselgren: calls $38.40
*** TURN *** [8c 2h 7s] [Qd]
Hesselgren: checks
DeanoSupremo: bets $83.40
Hesselgren: raises $108.60 to $192
DeanoSupremo: calls $108.60
*** RIVER *** [8c 2h 7s Qd] [Ad]
Hesselgren: ???????So what is my river play here? very curious as to what other people think about a spot like this.
There is about ~$320 left in playOn a sidenote I would like for someone to tell me how to convert the handhistory text into those cool card pictures etc. Ty!
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Dangerfish
Poker Newbie
53 PostsRe: Big river decision OOP deep.
Obviously this isn't a great river but I think you gotta just get the money in. Problem with checking is he is jamming if he rivered the best hand and of course checking back KK or any other hand that he thought might be good. If you read was super strong I suppose you can check fold vs some opponents but you need to have a super good read that he is never paying off worse or betting worse on the river.
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NimanKenkre
Bluefire Pro
Poker Pro
1191 PostsRe: Big river decision OOP deep.
This is a bad river - but more because you are likely to lose your market instead of your hand. I think he is going to be able to fold everything he had after that ugly card. Therefore, I think your best line would be to check the river and hope to get shoved on by a bluff. I think you are more likely to win the rest of his stack that way than by shoving and getting called by worse. You are never ever getting away from your hand against Deano, so you are losing your stack either way if he has AA. So we only need to consider whether you will win the rest of his stack more often against worse hands more often by checking or by shoving. I think checking is the play.
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ervinsm84
Poker Newbie
20 PostsRe: Big river decision OOP deep.
NimanKenkre wrote:
This is a bad river - but more because you are likely to lose your market instead of your hand. I think he is going to be able to fold everything he had after that ugly card. Therefore, I think your best line would be to check the river and hope to get shoved on by a bluff. I think you are more likely to win the rest of his stack that way than by shoving and getting called by worse. You are never ever getting away from your hand against Deano, so you are losing your stack either way if he has AA. So we only need to consider whether you will win the rest of his stack more often against worse hands more often by checking or by shoving. I think checking is the play.
the board is a complete rainbow when we get to the turn and the only real draws that could maybe call the turn c/r are exactly 9T, 56 or maybe a weird 69suited and i wouldnt think those are that likely of a hand for villain to have. For him to be bluffing the river, do we have to think hes going to turn a weaker marginal made hand into a bluff (which is possible guess).
It just doesnt seem like theres much villain can bluff with here, if anything (albeit its extremely difficult for him to call) and most of his hands that will call a river shove would shove the river anyways, so idk.
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