wl4dymir Poker Newbie
So I sat down with a reg on 2 5handed 2/4 tables, one of them being only the two of us, to get a game started. I noticed early that he was playing really tight, folding most buttons and to most buttons opens. The game filled pretty quickly and he was directly on my left, and seemed to have the fold button checked everytime he was on the bb. But I quickly noticed that he was ALWAYS 3betting me from SB when I opened my button.
So it's weird to me, and I start thinking. 2 things might have happened here :
- he thinks I'm opening more buttons SH than I'm opening from SB HU, so he's 3betting a lot to get me to fold. This is obviously weird but you never know.
- he thinks I'm calling more in position so he is 3betting a ton for value in those spots.
- he just happened to have good hands when he is oop.
Both 3 doesn't really makes sense, except the last one. So I decided to adjust immediately and just tighten up a ton so I could have a very strong range when I got 3bet, and open mostly from SB and CO to get his blinds since I was getting more than enough FE (especially from SB, weirdly).
But the real question is, once that is done, how do I really find out if I'm right ? I've tightened up so it's really unlikely that I will get a showdown soon, and so it's hard to find out if he is re-adjusting. Because if he is, then I should open more, or I'm giving up my button way too often right ? And how do I know my strategy is good, because it could very well have been the 3rd case where he is just running weirdly, or some combination of 2nd and 3rd case right ?
So the main question is this : once I adjusted (and especially by tightening up, since it's the hardest to get infos on frequencies), how do I find out if he is readjusting or not, and how to be sure I'm right ?
And another question : against this guy and after all this, I raise my button with AQo. He 3bets me as expected most of the time, and I decided that my hand was good enough to 4bet since he would probably call with a lot of dominated hands, and he would shove with them sometimes too (and I can call a shove). But instead of shoving, he makes a min 5bet, which to me from my micro/small stakes experience often means AA or KK. And I get really confused here, does he expects me to bluff often enough to make a shove profitable ? What type of hands is he 5bet/folding with ? Is he ever 5bet/calling with worse than AQ, with that history ? (note that by "history", I mean weird/aggressive preflop action but no showdown).
feitrr Poker Newbie
With regards to the 5B sizing - i wouldn't read too much into this. I've definitely played vs people who have made extremely small 5B hands with a wide value range presumably because 1. you know they are committed once they 5B no matter the sizing (provided stacks are close to 100bbs) and 2. since it looks like they are inviting a shove they rep a stronger range and may stop you 6B shoving with some of your hands with which you were planning on calling a 5B shove. Some may do it with AA/KK but it doesn't make much sense (unless they are pretty bad) and I wouldn't abort your plan due to the bet sizing.
Re: the rest. There is obviuosly no way you can know for sure - short term frequencies get messed up by variance. But if his 3B % reduces when you start tightening up, then he has probably readjusted (at least, from as far as you can tell) and you need to loosening up your btn stealing % again and see how he responds. You can also adjust by 4Bing lighter, opening 4Bing value range if it looks like there is going to be a light 5B shoving dynamic, etc. Typically it is easy to read too much into short term frequencies and you may get paranoid that somebody is always making a play at you when all that happened is that they picked up a few big hands in a row. So it's important to not overadjust. More than likely he just picked up some big hands in the SB - if he was playing back at you because you were opening too light then he would probably be fighting much harder for his bb and 3Bing your CO opens in position alot lighter, etc.
scarface23 Poker Newbie
like feitrr said, it´s easy to find out whether he readjusted or not. you said that he 3bets every time from SB vs BU open. after tightening up just look whether he continues with that - if yes he´s not readjusting.
by the way another adjustments you could make are smaller raises from BU with the intention to call a lot and play postflop in position. you still can 4bet (bluff and value) when minraising the BU and it also has the benefit that a 5bet bluffshove gets less attractive since there´s less dead money in the pot.
now when you 4bet AQ (after folding to several 3bets, right?) then it´s a standard shove/shove-call.
if he is a thinking player he can easily level himself into "hmm I 3bet all the time..he notice that..now he don´t want to get pushed around and this is likely a 4bet bluff..so I shove my T9s and collect dead money or got decent equity when called."
his min5bet doesn´t matter and isn´t an argument for not going broke.
With 100BB he probably never 5bet/folds (if he does be happy cause he made a huge mistake..)
With that history you can call 3bets and play postflop or 4bet/call with hands like AQ, 99, 88
wl4dymir Poker Newbie
Thank you both for your advices. My main concern is that my adjustment might be an overreaction, but on the other hand it's quoted in mathematics of poker that you should make "extreme swings" in your strategy to adjust appropriately (not in this case, in general). And I tend to overradjust sometimes.
But yeah it sounded like he was just getting his good hands in btn vs sb situations. His min5bet proved me that he was probably not thinking and just saw his first small 4bet ever or something, or he had a hand he just didn't know what to do with so he just clicked it back without real plan.
Anyway I'm not playing too much sh so it's hard for me to understand table dynamics. It's crazy how long it takes to get reads on people, compared to heads up games.