25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot » High Stakes No Limit Discussion

  • ervinsm84 ervinsm84 Poker Newbie
    20 Posts
    25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot
    5 Jul 2010 at 1:35am

          This is a high stakes hand that ive seen elsewhere and was really completely baffled by it.  Im curious what some people here think.  This hand is posted from Heros point of view (his reads at the time) and i am neither hero nor villain as i dont play this high.

    Hero is 4 tabling, its been a super crazy match and in short villain is a complete bannana.

    Villains stats are through ~100 hands

    villain plays really unique. Villain plays 97% of his sbs. villain plays 70% of his bbs, which is insane.

    villain 3 bets 52%

    villain folds to 3bets 40% of the time (ive been 3 betting about 15%)

    villain c/folded the flop 4%

    c/ring the flop 42% of the time

    villain cbets 65%

    villain 2 barrells 58% and ditto for the river bet. basically hes the extreme of all extremes.

    that said, defending vs this 3 bet is super std as an adjustment according to hero.

    ***other reads*** Hero expects villain to be slowplaying vs heros flop raises in 3 bet pots. Villain also 3 bet the flop in 3 bet pots and then c/folded the turn.

    In general villain loves to barrell and loves it more on any overcard (in villains mind all overcards are good bluffing cards)

    7500$ eff

      Hero opens to 150 otb with Qc5c
    Monkey 3 bets to 550
    Hero defends

    Pot 1100

    7s 2s Jc

    Monkey cbets 650
    Hero bluff raises to 1400
    Monkey makes it 2250 (barely more than clicking it back)
    Hero calls

    Pot is 5600

    Hero has 4670 behind and villain covers us

    Turn 7s 2s Jc Ad

    Monkey bets 850
    Hero calls

    Pot is now 7200

    Hero has 3820 behind and villain covers us.

    River Kh

    So board is 7s 2s Jc Ad Kh

    Monkey shoves 3820  into 7200
    Hero calls

    Thoughts on every single street appreciated (*** I did not play this hand but think its a very interesting hand****)
                               

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  • MatCauthon MatCauthon Poker Newbie
    87 Posts
    Re: 25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot
    5 Jul 2010 at 5:44pm

    I wouldn't play the flop like this most of the time, but sure, what the hell. Turn I would fold most of the time also.

    From an original preflop range of:  { 22+, A2s+, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T5s+, 96s+, 85s+, 74s+, 63s+, 53s+, 42s+, 32s, A2o+, K4o+, Q8o+, J8o+, T8o+, 98o }, I think on the river the situation is more like this in a very good scenario:

    Board: Jc 7s 2s Ad Kh
    Dead: 

                           equity            win              tie                  pots won    pots tied   
    Hand 0:     25.597%      24.23%     01.37%                 71             4.00   { Qc5c }
    Hand 1:     74.403%      73.04%     01.37%                214            4.00   { KK+, JJ, 77, A2s+, KTs+, K7s, K2s, QcTc, QdTd, QhTh, Qc9c, Qd9d, Qh9h, Qc8c, Qd8d, Qh8h, Qc6c, Qd6d, Qh6h, Qc5c, Qd5d, Qh5h, Qc4c, Qd4d, Qh4h, Qc3c, Qd3d, Qh3h, J7s, Tc9c, Td9d, Th9h, Tc8c, Td8d, Th8h, Tc6c, Td6d, Th6h, 9c8c, 9d8d, 9h8h, 9c6c, 9d6d, 9h6h, 8c6c, 8d6d, 8h6h, 8c5c, 8d5d, 8h5h, 6c5c, 6d5d, 6h5h, 6c4c, 6d4d, 6h4h, 6c3c, 6d3d, 6h3h, 5c4c, 5d4d, 5h4h, 5c3c, 5d3d, 5h3h, 4c3c, 4d3d, 4h3h, A2o+, KTo+, K7o, QTo-Q8o, T8o+, 98o }

    meaning it's a fold even then.

  • coolrunnings77 coolrunnings77 Poker Newbie
    320 Posts
    Re: 25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot
    19 Jul 2010 at 3:13am

    lol jungleman, i thought he explained his call down pretty damn well. He has good odds to float the flop reraise in case the dude c/f's the turn. Villain doesnt c/f the turn but the guy fires scare cards relentlessly and is trappy with big hands so Jungleman decides to call down. It was a great video

  • JayDunn JayDunn Poker Newbie
    107 Posts
    Re: 25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot
    20 Jul 2010 at 5:15am

    Lol, jungleman is the nuts. His whole game is about hero calling down in calculated situations, and pitplaya just fell into one of those situations. His thought process of the hand is amazing, and to actually snap call with Q high on that river the way he did, without so much as a second thinking, was unbelievable. 

  • mrfisher111 mrfisher111 Poker Newbie
    137 Posts
    Re: 25/50 HUNL 7500 eff Qc5c 3 bet pot
    7 Sep 2010 at 1:26pm

    thats a terrible call. You call people down with queen high all in your going to lose more often then win. He could also be bluffing with a worse hand seemed kind of spewy imo. Doesn't matter jungle man or tom dwan. Thats very light call down by any player.