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  • Jimbozgrapes Jimbozgrapes Poker Prodigy
    336 Posts
    Lost a Million
    11 Jul 2012 at 3:48am

    Okay so I started playing some live the last 2 weeks, and got in a healthy hour and a half ish of playing where i managed to lose THREE HUNDRED DOLLARS. Thats like one week of working just gone in an hour!!! Anyways I didnt wanna blog about this so I just felt like randomly writting it in the forums, and asking what you guys think of 1 hand I played.

     

    So first hand I only bought in for $100 just to blow some time at 1-2 (thats 50 bb for those of you counting). I had 9/7s in the sb, it limped around and i completed, BB raised to 10, 4 players called and I called as well. the flop came 9/2/2 with two spades (I think i had hearts, no back door), and I led out for half pot because even with a weak kicker, I am not folding and I wanna make flush draws pay. Folds around and one guy thinks for 10 seconds and calls, I have yet to see this guy fold, and I put him on low pair, any 2, any 9, Kx/Ax with k/a of spades, and any flush draw. Against that range, I decided to jam my last 50 in on the turn which was an off suite 6, and he called with a flush draw (6/3spades) and binked river.

    So the question is, is the lead on the flop worth it with such a small stack, or should i be trying to get a better hand before jamming? The problem is that the pot was already $50 and this is very common the case in live play having a multiway pot raised to 5x. Is it okay to even see flops with hands like 9/7s with 50bbs, or should i just be folding? And since I am getting payed off by worse a large number of the time, is it okay to play it so agressivly when hitting top pair weak kicker?

     

    The other 200 I lost was tonight after just having the same issues, where the pot gets so fucking big preflop that I feel obligated to go with my hand. I lost my $200 to a guy that raised 13 (he was pretty agressive), had one caller, I 3-bet in the BB with A/Ks to $40. the original raiser called, flop came 10/q/k and I bet out $50, he jammed, and I called it off. Like, it sucks to get jammed on there....but I don't feel like I can check the flop, and I don't feel like I can bet fold, (this guy jammed on me twice now so he wasn't nitty by any means) . He ended up having Q/Q, but I don't think I could have played this one differently, with tp/tk and a gutty. Out of position I think I have to bet, in position its fine to check and play pot control.

     

    THOUGHTS PLEASE! I am not the greatest at cash game, but I certainly beleive i can beat live games.

  • NeilGewirtz NeilGewirtz Bluefire Pro Poker Trainee
    185 Posts
    Re: Lost a Million
    11 Jul 2012 at 8:04pm

    First off to get the standard lecture out of the way, you shouldnt be playing poker with any amount of money that feels like a million bucks, unless of course a mil isnt that much money to you.

    Now to the poker, in the 1st hand I think 10% of our stack is too much to put in pre with such a marginal speculative hand even given the super tempting pot odds. Your 2nd hand is a tough spot as you do have alot of money invested in a 3bet pot with tptk, but you also must realize your hand isnt that strong at all on this board. I think starting with a check and reevaluating is fine. There arent too many hands we are giving up much equity to, and our hope is to we can read something from our opponents action that will help weigh our decision one way or the other.

  • Jimbozgrapes Jimbozgrapes Poker Prodigy
    336 Posts
    Re: Re: Lost a Million
    12 Jul 2012 at 2:48am

    NeilGewirtz wrote:

    First off to get the standard lecture out of the way, you shouldnt be playing poker with any amount of money that feels like a million bucks, unless of course a mil isnt that much money to you.

    Now to the poker, in the 1st hand I think 10% of our stack is too much to put in pre with such a marginal speculative hand even given the super tempting pot odds. Your 2nd hand is a tough spot as you do have alot of money invested in a 3bet pot with tptk, but you also must realize your hand isnt that strong at all on this board. I think starting with a check and reevaluating is fine. There arent too many hands we are giving up much equity to, and our hope is to we can read something from our opponents action that will help weigh our decision one way or the other.

    So, if our opponent does something weird we can find a fold somehow? I dunno... The stacks all seem so shallow when standard raise size is 10-20 preflop. Again i feel dirty folding even though i know the flop is pretty horrible for me concidering his range, but I am not really sure what the "best play" is. Against this player specifically I don't feel like folding is ever an option.Honestly I think it was just a tough/bad spot. This guy was raising a lot, and I don't know if its good to 3-bet pre out of position. I wanted to make the stacks shallower on the flop and out of position to reduce the positional advantage, but I basically narrow minded myself to getting it in on a lot of flops which is a bad thing to do.... Thanks for the respond btw!

     

    The 9/7 hand, I agree, well shortstacking as borring as it is I do beleive the best strategy is to just try and get it in pre with premium and double up, especially live when you can get multiple callers with worse holdings for 50bbs because they are there to "gamble". Granted...I was getting close to 7-1 with a hand that flops decently well, I think the call pre is fine, but the agression with tp/tk post was bad...I don't get it in good enough vs that many people, mostly drawing to 3 outs if even that, and i put myself in a position where i couldn't fold.

    The bitching about the money loss was suposed to be sarcastic btw, I am horrible at sarcastic stuff >.< .