A Sad Day » Bluefire Poker Announcements

  • Blackdarko Blackdarko Poker Newbie
    5 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 7:54am

    I just joined and I am not so much disapointed.

    I think the vidz in here worth the signin prize and I'll be happy to give it a try with the remaining coaches for the future.

    All the best Phil, 3 years is a good piece of life you shared here.

    Please guys, maintain the quality, beware of quantity ;)

  • vapeANape vapeANape Poker Newbie
    13 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 7:56am

    What the hell is going on? Your site is in the process of dying. Someone quickly stop the blood flowing or it will be too late. Wtf changing Phil's password and deleting his blog. Who is responsible for this immature bs?

  • Wilsonc91 Wilsonc91 Poker Newbie
    33 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 9:03am

     

  • Wilsonc91 Wilsonc91 Poker Newbie
    33 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 9:09am

    Well, it seems as if Bluefire is ending today or in the near future. Seems as appropriate a time as any to share a story from the beginning of the site. Phil Galfond was the lead instructor, but not involved in any of the details I'm about to share. Right after launch, there was a buzz about BFP. The site seemed like a big success and myself and the other Bluefire pros felt we were underpaid. We decided to have a skype group and discuss if we wanted to go to managment and re-negotiate our contracts. Niman, in particular, was very convincing when he told us our value and how underpaid we were. He suggested we re-negotiate and all take the same % as one another, a significant increase for all involved. Niman instructed us that we don't talk to the owner directly, rather, we'd talk to him as a group.

    After sending out an e-mail to management about our raise, no one talked to the owner alone. That is, everyone but Niman Kenkre. He was playing both sides, orchestrating our union and talking to the owner behind our backs. At one point, he even asked, "What's Martin getting? We don't need him. Give me my original contract and whatever you're giving Martin and I'll sign right now". Giggy is really cool, so I'm glad this didn't happen. He then let the owner know that he could break up the group, if he give in to his demands. They came to an agreement. Niman then came to the group, letting us know that it was unlikely that we were getting a raise and we should all back off. The union disbanded.

    Needless to say, I felt very betrayed.

    Don Nguyen

     

    Interesting

  • trunks1505 trunks1505 Poker Newbie
    80 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:06am

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  • trunks1505 trunks1505 Poker Newbie
    80 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:15am

    Phil,

    You should just start a site by urself making 1 vid per week at the same price as bluefire, we'd all join it.  I wouldn't mind if Giggy came along though =).

    -E

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:23am

    Wilsonc91 wrote:

    Well, it seems as if Bluefire is ending today or in the near future. Seems as appropriate a time as any to share a story from the beginning of the site. Phil Galfond was the lead instructor, but not involved in any of the details I'm about to share. Right after launch, there was a buzz about BFP. The site seemed like a big success and myself and the other Bluefire pros felt we were underpaid. We decided to have a skype group and discuss if we wanted to go to managment and re-negotiate our contracts. Niman, in particular, was very convincing when he told us our value and how underpaid we were. He suggested we re-negotiate and all take the same % as one another, a significant increase for all involved. Niman instructed us that we don't talk to the owner directly, rather, we'd talk to him as a group.

    After sending out an e-mail to management about our raise, no one talked to the owner alone. That is, everyone but Niman Kenkre. He was playing both sides, orchestrating our union and talking to the owner behind our backs. At one point, he even asked, "What's Martin getting? We don't need him. Give me my original contract and whatever you're giving Martin and I'll sign right now". Giggy is really cool, so I'm glad this didn't happen. He then let the owner know that he could break up the group, if he give in to his demands. They came to an agreement. Niman then came to the group, letting us know that it was unlikely that we were getting a raise and we should all back off. The union disbanded.

    Needless to say, I felt very betrayed.

    Don Nguyen

     

    Interesting

    If you really are Don, I have no clue why/how you would/could make that post.

    The part about Niman doing what you say he did is just incoherent and ridiculous. I don't get how you could jump to such conclusions given how things developed. I just got off the phone with Niman, with whom I've been close and friendly since the beginning, and he 100% assured me that everything you accuse him of is pure invention. And I believe him without the slightest hint of doubt, as he's one of the most authentic and honest person I know.

    So I just wanted to stop by and make sure that nobody believes what you accuse Niman of doing. I sincerely don't understand the purpose of your inventions and how you could post them on a public forum.

    Thanks

    -Gig

     

  • NaimZu NaimZu Poker Trainee
    60 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:28am

    Why is Phil leaving ?

    Phil was the reason why I signed up here !

  • MartinGiggy MartinGiggy Bluefire Pro Poker Pro
    539 Posts
    Re: Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:28am

    trunks1505 wrote:

     

    post edited, nvm

  • trunks1505 trunks1505 Poker Newbie
    80 Posts
    Re: A Sad Day
    11 Dec 2011 at 11:29am

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